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Presentation from a little while back: finding a 2nd sibilant in Old Finnish and Old Karelian
academia.edu/143584127/Kant…
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J Pystynen ✽🫐 🗒☕⌘🚯🧦ᴤ
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All data is valuable, all evidence is statistical, all explanation is diachrony, all inquiry is permissible. Doing Uralic (pre)historical linguistics.
University of Helsinki เข้าร่วม Ocak 2022
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J Pystynen ✽🫐 🗒☕⌘🚯🧦ᴤ รีทวีตแล้ว
"the Tone language, also known as Toné, Tonë, which despite its name is not a [[tonal language]],"
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Hypothetical names of languages that would be highly inconvenient for encyclopedias and such: Dead, Sign, Tone, Child, First, Human, Legal, Proto, Broken, Target, Native, Written
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For other arguments for late *w > v we could include e.g. *ŋ >> v which is surely > *ɣ > *w > v, or Courland Livonian having *o > ʷo after (some) consonants, *o > vo- ~ vʷo- ~ vʊ- word-initially.
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New blog post: some finetuning of the relative chronology of Proto-Finnic and neighbors with some pointers towards a late dating of *w > v
protouralic.wordpress.com/2026/03/24/not…
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@malandroggb Hopefull will get some exploration in coming years tho since this is a sort of direction that is well signposted by what we know of, say, the paleogenetics of Early European farmers.
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@malandroggb Not really, several possible comparisons are probably there in sources like Dolgopolsky's Nostratic or any old work on Indo-Semitic, but the idea that this was a local loanword layer (rather than occasional Wanderwörter from Semitic) is still fairly new / little held.
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Such a good thread man. LEC bros we really some koryos
lacagyahan 🪽@spiralintodead
The Qorros system: What led to the expansion of lowland East Cushites across all of East Africa.
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Another language name cluster with three North Eurasian members and one East African: CVC + glide + -ak ⇒ Votyak (Udmurt), Ostyak (Khanty), Koryak, Anuak
J Pystynen ✽🫐 🗒☕⌘🚯🧦ᴤ@JLingPystynen
Btw I've always found there to be something charming about the language name "Bambassi", maybe for the synergy with Kamass[ian], Khakas, Chuvash ("Kamassi", "Hakassi", "Tšuvassi" in Finnish). Strictly it's a town name though and e.g. the 2012 grammar calls it just "Northern Mao".
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@malandroggb Given that *koros, *koryos is only found in core / post-Anatolian Indo-European, and nothing in rest of Eurasiatic was found that looks too similar, this could be still also refactored as an early AA-related substrate loan in IE.
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@malandroggb If we believed Dolgopolsky, these might even be the same Nostratic root (he does not list Cushitic here in Afrasian but could be easily enough related also, say *kʼar-w- > *kʼawr- > *kʼoor-).
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Btw I've always found there to be something charming about the language name "Bambassi", maybe for the synergy with Kamass[ian], Khakas, Chuvash ("Kamassi", "Hakassi", "Tšuvassi" in Finnish).
Strictly it's a town name though and e.g. the 2012 grammar calls it just "Northern Mao".
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Another interesting parallel from Bambassi: it has *recently* borrowed causative -sis- from Oromo (still reported by speakers as a foreignism), which helps put some stock on thinking that causative *-s- in Ta-Ne, Dizoid and Aroid could also originate from contact with Cushitic.
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This latter term for 'heart' is isolated in Ometo, but in that group most languages just have borrowings of East Cushitic *wazn- anyway.
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I have been doing a little catchup reading on recent research on the Mao languages and it looks like affinity in North Omotic will likely hold for them. Cognate sets improve with more data, divergences in grammar seem to be often language-specific not entire-group-specific
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a good general sort of lesson: off-the-shelf phylogenetics software is generally biology-optimized, not linguistics-optimized, and may carry hidden assumptions
Jayden Macklin-Cordes@JaydenC
In 2022 I wrote a blog post about my PhD and promised a follow-up explaining the results. Consider this a four-year slow-burn cliffhanger resolution. 🧵
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@vo_ro_na You might be able to get suspicious about 'eagle' also from how Hawai'ian does not even have /t/ natively.
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J Pystynen ✽🫐 🗒☕⌘🚯🧦ᴤ รีทวีตแล้ว
@vo_ro_na "Honey" and "eagle" are in fact Ancient Greek loanwords in Hawai'ian introduced by Bible translators; they are also the only four-segment exact matches + semantic exact matches in this list.
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Cushitic loanword layers in South Ethiosemitic branches. Proto-Zway-Wolane is unique in having borrowings from Somaloid, as many are from Highland East Cushitic and Central Cushitic (Agaw).
Western Cross-Rift = Amharic-Argobba
Eastern Cross-Rift = Harari-Zway-Silt'e-Wolane
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