Logan Pierce, Son of Larry

@TNTJohn1717 @RandomLDS Paradise does not equal heaven. When the Resurrected Christ appeared to Mary, He had not yet ascended to His Father. His Father was not in Paradise when He went there with the thief. Temple ordinances are primarily for the benefit of those who died without them, like the thief.

If the question is too long, I can shorten it. Did the thief on the cross need temple covenants, priesthood authority, baptism by LDS hands, or a temple recommend interview before Jesus said, “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise”? That’s the question. You can meme around it, but you still have to answer it.

🚨‼️When the Thief on the Cross Missed the Temple Recommend Interview The thief on the cross had a problem. At least according to the presentation board he had a problem. Actually, according to several presentation boards, a flowchart, two pamphlets, a temple covenant handbook, and a seventy-two-slide PowerPoint, he had a very serious problem. He was hanging on a cross next to Jesus Christ with only a few hours left to live, and unfortunately, he had failed to complete the approved checklist. As he hung there in agony, a group of enthusiastic religious consultants suddenly appeared carrying charts and binders. One of them unfolded a banner titled, “THE COMPLETE PLAN OF EXALTATION.” Another rolled out a chart showing baptism, priesthood authority, temple ordinances, eternal marriage, sacred covenants, worthiness interviews, and several other items that the thief had somehow neglected to complete. The thief looked down at the chart and frowned. “Well, that’s not ideal.” One of the men adjusted his tie and pointed to a box halfway down the chart. “Have you been baptized by someone holding the proper authority?” The thief shook his head. The consultant made a note. “Okay. Not great. Have you received temple ordinances?” The thief looked at the nails in his hands and feet. “I’m having a little trouble scheduling that right now.” Another consultant stepped forward with a clipboard. “Have you completed your temple recommend interview?” The thief blinked. “My what?” The consultant looked concerned. Very concerned. The kind of concern usually reserved for someone who just informed you they accidentally mailed their house to another country. Meanwhile, Jesus was hanging right beside him. The thief turned his head toward Christ and said, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.” One of the consultants nearly dropped his clipboard. “Wait!” he shouted. “You skipped twelve important steps! We haven’t even discussed sacred covenants yet!” Jesus answered, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” The entire consulting team froze. One man quietly erased half of his presentation. Another began nervously flipping through the handbook looking for an emergency appendix titled, “What To Do If Jesus Saves Someone Before The Presentation Is Finished.” There wasn’t one. The thief smiled. The consultants looked increasingly uncomfortable. One finally cleared his throat and said, “Technically speaking, this creates several administrative challenges.” The thief nodded toward Jesus. “Seems like He handled them.” The consultants huddled together for several minutes. Charts were examined. Timelines were reviewed. Someone produced a graph. Another suggested adding a new category called ‘Special Circumstances.’ Yet every road led back to the same problem. The thief was going to paradise. Without a temple. Without a recommend interview. Without a covenant pathway. Without a priesthood restoration seminar. Without a single chart. Finally one exhausted consultant looked up and asked, “How exactly are we supposed to explain this?” The thief smiled and pointed to the Man hanging beside him. “Maybe start with Him.” And for the next two thousand years, every system that tried to put something between a sinner and the finished work of Christ would have to explain why a dying thief got into paradise with nothing more than faith in the Son of God. The thief never attended a temple. He never completed a worthiness interview. He never passed an ordinance checklist. He never joined a religious institution. He simply believed. And somehow, despite the complete absence of charts, binders, presentations, committees, and approval processes, Jesus Christ still managed to save him. That has been causing problems for complicated systems ever since.

@ServusDeiVivi @theblessedsalt “Can mercy rob justice?”

@LoganMPierce1 @theblessedsalt Secondly, how does God "cease to be God"? What are you even referring to?

We inherit a nature from our parents. A nature is what we are, and we know humans are made from human procreation, with the exception of Adam/Eve. Jesus has one biological parent, Mary, so of course she is solely responsible for His human nature. Not a very "thoughtful" post.

@surskitmaxxing @dttpeople Yeah. It’s called the Great Apostasy. The same thing responsible for a triune notion of God and infant baptism.

@LoganMPierce1 @dttpeople Read some Bible scholarship on the topic There’s a reason Christianity didn’t believe in three heavens for 2000 years despite that line being in the Bible

If Mormons just said these things up front. I wouldn't agree, but at least I'd respect the forthrightness. Instead Mormons play word games. If they are simply ashamed of these beliefs, why believe them! Either be proud and upfront or abandon shameful beliefs.

@ServusDeiVivi @PopePiusIXStan I mean, I trust Paul. He was persecuting Christians prior to his vision of the resurrected Christ. No witnesses vouched for his vision. No one vouched for Stephen seeing Christ on the right hand of God. Not sure why detractors expect Joseph Smith to be held to a higher standard.

@LoganMPierce1 @PopePiusIXStan What makes it less real is that it didn't happen, and the only guy that can tell you whether it did (Smith) changed the story several times, and has no credible witnesses to it in the first place lmao

People understanding something has nothing to do with something being true or false. So, it is irrelevant what percentage of Christianity understands the Trinity. Just like it’s irrelevant to the truth of anything else. Truth isn’t a poll.

@ServusDeiVivi @theblessedsalt Illogical claim? I mean, it’s not like it’s the Trinity, or anything. That’s some steep competition.

@LoganMPierce1 @theblessedsalt That's an illogical claim. How would God "fall" when God sets the standard for His creation? Would God "fall" against His OWN standards? What kind of God cannot even live up to His own standards, and how is it just that He could judge us for the same failures?

@ServusDeiVivi @theblessedsalt It’s possible for God to fall. That He could “cease to be God.” Now, He’s not going to, because He knows how to avoid it. He just wants us to know that He walks a razor’s edge of necessity. No other scripture contains this doctrine, save the Book of Mormon.

@theblessedsalt It's like they think in order for God to be perfect, He can't ever do anything, because eventually there will be a first time He's done something (that we know of) and that'll be an excuse for God "changing" lol He's outside of time for this very reason.

@JVanMaren Let’s stop giving money / weapons to Ukraine / Israel. Problem solved.

Let's see if I have this right: A) Everyone has to hate Israel because of the death toll in Gaza, in a war that--regardless of your views about it--they did not start on Oct. 7. B) We were "lied to" about Russia, which invaded Ukraine (nobody denies that), resulting in a collective death toll thus far of at least a half a million dead. Russia, though, is the good guy. Regardless of your views on either conflict, if you can't see that the "anti-war" grift of Owens et al is not fueled by principle but by something much, much darker, than I can't help you.

@Bar_tolmi @RavnReborn

@marcado_razon @GrandpaJoeSux That argument wouldn’t work against the Mormon pioneer stock who fled persecution to eke out a life in the wilderness. But the fruits of their sacrifice, the healthy, stable communities are somehow evidence AGAINST the church being true? Think it through.

This made me LOL for real.

@nazjavladimir The Apostle Stephen’s witness of the Son standing at the right hand of the Father is any less real or miraculous because those who stoned him to death saw only clouds. The Book of Abraham is no less inspired because those without the gift of prophecy can’t see what Joseph saw.

Why there is no apologetic defense for the book of Abraham: it has to violate basic rules of evidence to function! The "Catalyst Theory" Calls Joseph a Liar; and The "Missing Scroll Theory" Ignores the Facsimiles. Case closed.

@Truth_matters20 “After all we can do” in this case means “in spite of.” Example: “after all you could do to lie about the church (IE in spite of your best efforts to distort the doctrine).” The truth wins out after all you could do. In spite of your efforts, not because of them.

Mormons distort the gospel by claiming that we are saved by God's grace after all we can do (works), and not through faith alone in Christ like the Bible says.

@dttpeople “Naked Zelph.” I mean, the skeleton’s not wearing clothes…

The more I find out about Mormonism, the more it seems Joseph Smith was just a guy that liked to make up stories like this Zelph “Laminite” one. Maybe he was a pathological liar. I knew someone like that once who made up all kinds of stories and presented them as true.

@Scath_na_Gealai @GuyInco15542744 @JS_StrngstSldr @grok A false fiction? That’s a double negative. Which means you think it’s true!

The book is a false fiction made up by smith. The plates never existed, unless you can provide them right now. The resurrection was witnessed by over 500 people, the bad faith actors for the book of Mormon don't give it credence. The plates never existed again... So no they did not. I am sorry but I have asked the spirit, and the spirit does not claim testimony over the bom. A fool can follow anything to hell if you believe hard enough. While Jesus touched and healed actual people, smith did nothing of the sort.

Exmos on such a high grade of copium. If I had a tenth of this potent copium I could accomplish anything.

@Rultpwr Not familiar with that chart, sorry. 😂

@LoganMPierce1 do you have this chart but with the different fast food burritos?

If I get diarrhea when I eat 3 del beef burritos AFTER I prayed over them, the only conclusion that makes sense is that God is weak.

Yeah. That’s why the 1920’s are referred to as “the boring 20s.” Nothing raucous or uproarious about that decade, no sir.

@pimomormon “If the sower’s seeds could only grow in good soil, they must not have been good seeds.” That’s the logic at play here. If a seed grows in any soil, it’s a weed.

@LoganMPierce1 Thanks, I guess?

My 5th Sunday take: If god had to wait until the USA was in place before restoring his church, then he is indeed a weak god