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@Skulledwedge Those examples don’t prove LIV results are irrelevant they just show LIV form hasn’t consistently translated to majors. That’s not the same thing. LIV players dipping doesn’t mean the competition lacks relevance- majors are just a different test.

That’s one example, Joaquin winning 5x last year and not being competitive in majors. Rahm’s major performance has fallen. There’s plenty. I was just using one for that example. They really aren’t. LIV could give Rory $5 bil to leave and that would change the ecosystem but one player still wouldn’t make results that relevant.

Start ups fail all the time. Yeah, it’s sad. But that’s what happens when you choose to work for a company who’s entire survival depended on the financial decisions of a crown prince. They weren’t forced to work for LIV. Continuing to harp on this speaks volumes of a mans cowardice. You don’t care about those people, you care about changing the narrative away from LIV’s own failures.

@Skulledwedge I understand the distinction, but they’re still connected. If LIV events were irrelevant, they wouldn’t factor into how players are discussed heading into majors. “$125 mil” Using BAD missing a cut doesn’t really prove the broader point players have off weeks regardless of tour.

Because, up until this point, LIV had an unlimited fund to do what they want with. The league itself causes disruption. For example, they were able to give Bryson $500 mil to come over to their league. That is not tied to what results on the course means when tracking a player’s performance. Looking again at Bryson, he won two LIV events leading up to the Masters and then MC’d at the Masters. It’s not contradictory, it’s two separate conversations. One is about play and relevance of each individual player at tournaments, and one is about the larger pro golf ecosystem. “LIV is irrelevant” really means “LIV tournaments are irrelevant.”

@SomeGuyInBC @vincetozzo @ForePlayPod The PGA Tour caters to privileged 60 year old men & LIV draws to families & the youth. That’s why there’s so must hate back & forth. Those 2 sides do not get along.

@vincetozzo @ForePlayPod Or…just some guy who likes to watch golf? I know…fucking bizarre, is t it?

LIV Golf CEO Scott O’Neil spoke at length about the future of the league, and sounded optimistic it can continue on without PIF funding, but says structural changes are coming. Are you buying it?

@Skulledwedge You’re kind of contradicting yourself. If LIV is central to conversations about the future of golf, then the on course product is part of that relevance. And comparing a sports league to cancer doesn’t really strengthen the argument it just adds noise.

This really sounds like you wanted to shoehorn the second part of your comment somewhere on this site but couldn’t quite find the right post to comment under so you ended up here. It lives “rent free” in every golf debate surrounding the larger world of golf and the future of the game, but that doesn’t mean the on course play is relevant. Try to keep up here. LIV fans have been saying that for years as if all the bad press and everyone harping on it was actually a good thing. You know what else also gets a lot of attention when it shows up? Cancer.

@RealGolfNews18 @garrett_TFE I’d put money into it 🤷🏻‍♂️

@garrett_TFE Nobody in their right mind would put money into this!

Notable that this feels very much like a pitch to new investors

@Eaglebauer @KylePorterNS Why do people feel the need to voice there opinion about business when they have no clue how a big scale busnees startup works. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@KylePorterNS Scott O’Neal said it himself last fall if you pay attention to actual LIV coverage

"This notion of, 'Do you have to raise money?' Probably. This is business." They have gone through *$5 billion* in less than four years with almost nothing to show for it so it doesn't seem like it's a very good one. To continue down that path, LIV will have to unearth an investment entity that is either ... 1. Foolish or 2. Desperate or 3. Interested in something other than traditional business x.com/TeeTimesPub/st…

@3jackbandit @brianws51 @SportsCenter @AlanShipnuck @RichEisenShow No one in this entire world ever said LIV would surpass or come close to PGA tour Viewership. That is not the immediate goal and it’s not even possible for a 4 year old startup Golf league to compete against a 60 year old well established PGA Tour.

@LogoisDifferent @brianws51 @SportsCenter @AlanShipnuck @RichEisenShow At the rate they are increasing tv viewership it will take them around 100 years to get on par with the pga tour viewership

"Maybe LIV can endure if they can find some other funding. ... But, LIV Golf as we know it, ... appears to be coming to an end." Sports Writer @AlanShipnuck joins the @RichEisenShow and speaks on the current state of LIV Golf ⛳

@BigJakeCLE @lahey_jim69950 This is just completely false because it has gone both ways. The toxicity have been vice versa.

@lahey_jim69950 I do find it funny that LIV fans on this app have talked more shit than anyone in golf for the last four years, and now that people are finally pushing back with common sense, this is how they respond.

Fuck Dan Rapaport Fuck Riggs Fuck Dan Rapaport. Dan and Riggs are literally cancer to society and no one I know has an ounce of respect for either of these two fucking idiots

@brianws51 @SportsCenter @AlanShipnuck @RichEisenShow Amazon wasn’t built in a day, and it certainly wasn’t profitable overnight. Calling something a poor business model simply because it isn’t immediately turning a profit ignores how long it takes many companies and leagues to scale, build partnerships, and establish market share.

@SportsCenter @AlanShipnuck @RichEisenShow They won’t find funding. Only an idiot would invest $$ into such a poor business model. It might remain on life support for a few months, but the Saudi’s are definitely pulling out, based on their Iran war losses.

@ginjaninja83 @thoughtXopinion @JakeSherman Big scale Startups do not make any profit for awhile idk people that so difficult for people to understand. Just look at Amazon.

@thoughtXopinion @JakeSherman they have lost 1.4 billion on 5 billion dollar in investment to the league so nope no profit. that includes sponsorships and a very whelming tv deal.

they have no moves to make. They can join the PGA Tour, DP World Tour -- or they can stop playing professional golf. Those are the moves they can make.

@Richie3Jack This is a bit hypocritical cuz it’s gone both ways with the Toxicity. 🤦🏻‍♂️

If LIV is done after 2026, the way LIV & their 'fans' have handled this news encapsulates why so many people hate LIV. The smoke & mirrors, deceit, gaslighting, trolling, rage baiting, etc. from LIV and their 'fans' is why they couldn't catch on w/many golf fans.

It no mistake with the timing of the LIV is dead rumours dropping late Tuesday night. Everything systematically coming from unnamed sources. Reasons for this time is as follows. 1) LIV is off to its best start ever with massive events in 🇦🇺 & 🇿🇦 have shown this is real and continues to show massive growth. Add in the AK win being the biggest story in golf’s Q1 and one of the best stories in years. 2) LIV’s about to tee off for the 1st time this season in North America time zones…Mexico will be broadcasting in favourable time slots for NA fans and directly competing with the PGAT for the first time this season. 3) LIV is well on their way to selling major stakes in the franchise with would further cement them as a competitor of PGATE. Creating rumours in an attempt to scare away potential investors is a good thing for PGATE. 4) With PGAT facing potential mass layoffs and reduced prize money, they really needed a story to deflect attention. Anyone with their eyes open can see, of all the years LIV has been alive, this is not the year they would die as they have never been better. The crowds have been massive, sponsorship has skyrocketed to nearly $500m and young talent are see it as their 1st choice. #LongLIVGolf

@3fromtee @ANTi_LIV @ForePlayPod @GolfChannel

@ANTi_LIV @ForePlayPod @GolfChannel SHOW YOUR WORK like in kindergarten

UPDATE: According to @GolfChannel, LIV Golf CEO Scott O’Neil told players and staff that LIV is fully funded through the end of this year.

@MrNegative33 GenZ

I’m old enough to remember when sports journalists were objective. They didn’t root for/against players or organizations, they just reported the news. What the fuck happened?

@Skulledwedge @btsherrill It’s like at one point in time these people were tour fans or just fans of playing golf & yea some enjoy the way LIV plays golf & Vice verse. But both sides have created this hate to where it’s about as toxic as you can get. And with social media people enjoy spreading hate.

Because being a LIV fan, at least the ones we’re referring too, isn’t so much about being a fan of liv as much as it is attacking the PGA Tour and every account on this site that they perceive as being a “PGA Tour stooge.” There are good fans and I get along with plenty of them fine.

LIV golf fans have been and continue to be the single greatest example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action

@btsherrill @Skulledwedge I don’t understand what is so wrong with being a Fan of this league like why is this such an issue to people. If so many people do not care about it or even watched let those people being why celebrate them being unhappy. It’s weird behavior. 😒

@Skulledwedge 🤣. I bet

@CieloBonit Why would you pray for an extinction in something that makes another person happy it has no negative affect on you so why take celebrate that. 😒

I was given tickets to a LIV tournament a couple of years ago and it was a terrible disorganized mess. Hated it! It was everything a true golf fan would never want. I hope the rumors are true and may LIV Golf go extinct.

@DevilsA62669071 @TomFornelli 58

@TomFornelli Bryson’s 59, which no one watched, or victim-class cries from players like Gooch et al., along with LIVidiots, to players getting exactly what they bargained for ($$$ in exchange for waiving mid-status in the game); losing their already precarious access to such things as Majors.

If LIV is dead, what was your favorite LIV memory?

@jbayzzz @Sofi122022 Yes it’s better for golf you must have forgot about the Jack & Arnie spilt with PGA of America they were fighting for more money.

@Sofi122022 That makes for better golf?

I’d like to say I never watched one minute of that shit LIV golf league. Their legacy will be that they ruined professional golf. Tell Phil I’m thinking of him because that pos blocked me. 🤣