@Average_Homeboy I mean, honestly, it wouldn't change anything if you did. So why bother?
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Neal Henshaw
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I’m gonna choose to be a peacemaker and not tell the zealots they’re being zealots.
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Gotcha. But to call something an "adaptation" you need a firm grasp on what exactly you're adapting from. If the standard is defined as a single-income household where the man earns the money, then any married working mother becomes an adaptation by definition. I'm saying that reading is too rigid, and I don't think the text actually supports it.
Do "standard" and "ideal" mean the same thing? I think that the traditional, male-dominated breadwinning could be considered ideal. But that doesn't make it doctrine.
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@NealDH1972 The issue imo is that the messaging here is presenting the “individual adaptation” as the standard.
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While "individual adaptation" may be necessary for some families, God has established a standard.
This standard is outlined very clearly in the family proclamation....
"By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners."
This is the standard. This is what is taught over the pulpit by the brethren. The family proclamation IS DOCTRINE.
Individual circumstances will vary, but let us still hold up the standard.
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace." (1 Corinthians 14:33)
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@enjoyagoodmtdew @For3JT Sometimes. It was complicated. And we had extended family help.
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The amount of negative comments on here is wild to me.
Every person is different.
Every relationship is different.
Every family dynamic is different.
This family, it seems, is active in the Gospel. They’re an eternal family. The provider in the family is the wife. The husband takes on other obligations.
If my wife had a career that provided more than mine, I’d switch places IN A HEART BEAT.
To denounce and attack that isn’t right. Much less Christlike.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints@Ch_JesusChrist
“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate
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My sister said this today, and I 100% agree.
"I think the problem is that people believe the traditions they’ve been taught, not gospel doctrine. I know I have. But the thing I’ve learned about heavenly father is – he’s a "letter of the law" God when it comes to covenant keeping. But for a lot of life decisions he’s a "spirit of the law" God. And if you felt the spirit when you all made your life decisions (who to marry, what career to pursue, etc) that’s all that really matters."
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Don’t let people, social media, politics, sports, comments, congregation opinion or anything else of the world change how you feel about the Gospel.
The way you see it and feel it. The way you lean on the love of Christ. The way you faithfully worship according to the based guidelines set forth by your covenants. The way you access the atonement.
IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
Letting people cause you to distance is like letting someone’s hate for ice cream strip you of your ability to enjoy ice cream.
Ice cream is always ice cream. People’s trash opinion can’t change that.
The Church and Ice Cream are the truth.
Love ya Mark.
Stand tall!
Mark M@iwasmmueller88
The reaction to a social media post is a big reason why I started to drift away years ago. I had a very hard time reconciling the idea that people I sat with on Sunday morning would not just disagree with me but outright hate me for political or non doctrinal social things.
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That if the husband is best positioned to financially provide for the family, great. But if the wife has the talent and opportunity to better provide for the family, then a husband who supports her in making that a reality has absolutely fulfilled his responsibility to "provide the necessities of life." Especially when you read that line alongside "fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners."
What do you feel that the argument is, if it is not that?
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@NealDH1972 That’s not what I feel the argument is, but what do you think it means?
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The assumption is that the Proclamation requires the father to be the breadwinner, right? But not what the text actually says. What it says is that fathers are "responsible to provide the necessities of life." Responsible to provide, not required to earn. Those are different things.
Did I provide the necessities of life? Absolutely. I provided stability, presence, support, and partnership. My wife's earnings have allowed our kids to go to college, serve missions, travel, and grow up without financial stress hanging over them. And none of that would have been possible without me sacrificing my initial plan (to be a high school teacher and basketball coach) and supporting her through the grind that is medical school and residency. What I did...THAT is providing. It just looked different than the rigid interpretation that many have of that section of the proclamation.
And people seem to skip right past this line: "fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners." My wife and I made our decisions together. We prayed about it together. We sacrificed together. That IS the Proclamation.
I'm not telling anyone else how to run their family. But I'm also not going to sit quietly while people imply that mine was done wrong. My kids are the evidence. The fruit is good.
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@NealDH1972 @jedekiah Aww, it makes me sad to hear you say that. The restoration of all old & ancient lost things is about how you can do things your own way, no need to look back to old things, or even your mother & her apple butter?
Well, that is too bad.
But its nice to run into you even so.
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My wife and I got married while we were both young and in college. We intended to finish schooling but the honeymoon was a success and boom! our eldest son arrived 9 months later.
I dropped out, she stayed home. I worked multiple jobs. When our son was 1 she started taking classes again. Then our oldest daughter came! I felt strongly that I too needed to resume my education. So I did, while working 40-50 hours a week. We trudged through undergrad this way, me working insane hours, her taking care of the kids and both of us doing our courses.
As we approached graduation, we found out our second daughter was on the way. We were both also on track to apply for graduate programs. We prayed earnestly about what to do, and didn’t get a clear answer, but both our programs were tough to get into so we figured we would apply and let God determine our path. We were flabbergasted when we were both accepted! But had faith that the Lord knew what the plan was.
My doctoral program was intensive, M-F classes all day for two years prior to clinical rotations for a year, and my wife’s program was Friday nights and all day Saturdays. We had no external family support, it was us and the Lord. But we buckled down, had our second son the final year of our programs, and graduated back to back weekends.
My wife is now the school counselor at our kids elementary school. It’s awesome. With the big kids all day and summers off. I have a successful therapy practice and lots of flexibility. We just welcomed our fifth child.
All this to say, it’s possible to do both. My wife and I have both been blessed with intelligence and a capacity to help many of Gods children, our own and the ones we see professionally. We both serve faithfully in our church callings. I hope the fellow in this post and his wife experience the same joy we’ve found!
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints@Ch_JesusChrist
“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate
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@john_mortal @jedekiah I’m saying that, if the spirit directs, and your focus is still raising up a family in the gospel, it can be done. Just because it was done one way previously doesn’t mean that it always has to be done that way. That’s what I’m preaching. And what my parents taught me.
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@NealDH1972 @jedekiah #1/2 Neal, why are you being a missionary for this. Even if you feel like you pulled it off (which I am not going to agree with), why are you proselyting it. Your Mom was an excellent mother. Top notch. I am glad she was home with you.
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@john_mortal @jedekiah Or maybe being parents aligned in our faith and purpose is what allowed us to do it. Why don't you ask our kids? Two served missions, the other one has served in three RS presidencies. They love us, each other, and God. Think we've done fine. Thanks for your concern.
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@NealDH1972 @jedekiah It can be done, but not without sucking at the parenting part.
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@geoffjBYU @zuldiras My wife is a surgeon. We got married in undergrad. She had our son in grad school, 1st girl in med school, and 2nd girl in residency. A surgical residency. I have always worked full time. All 3 kids are active, happy, healthy. It can work.
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@zuldiras We are children of God. We can handle difficult things.
This is covered in the Proclamation.
The tweet is from the official church account. That means the church wanted it said. Fighting the church is moving toward apostasy. You don’t want that I think.
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Oh boy. The Church giving an example of a family who made the choice for the husband to stay home and the wife to work.
This will definitely send some of the hard-righty anti-woke apostates-in-waiting right over that apostasy edge.
Turns out God is more open minded than them.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints@Ch_JesusChrist
“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate
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If Rob leaves, my bet is we replace him with a high caliber euro guard, ala Egor 2.0.
Rob is great, but adding a bit more size and facilitating at that position wouldn’t hurt.
I have faith whatever happens it’ll be for BYU’s benefit. 💙🙌
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@collinsworth55 @_CoryBowen BYU grad and VT employee. I follow the VT men’s bball team like I follow BYU’s. Sure, Neo took some terrible shots. But he also missed a LOT of wide open shots. And he had a lot of lazy passes, and what seemed like an abnormal amount of live-ball turnovers. Not excited for that.
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@_CoryBowen His percentages aren’t great and that may have to do with shot selection like you said
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Alright who does BYU need to get to play PG!? Who would you guys want?
Neoklis Avdalas?
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@rtmccombs I go to a lot of Virginia Tech games and have watched Avdalas a ton. Here, he would occasionally make a spectacular play, but his shooting was terrible, and his passing was often soft. Lots of live ball turnovers and missed open shots. Not excited about that choice.
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Rob Wright is in the transfer portal.
Lots of point guards BYU will pursue. Two early names to watch, per sources: 6-foot-9 VT transfer Nikolas Avdalas and Euro Quinn Ellis.
I go into more detail here. vanquishthefoe.com/byu-basketball…
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@CriddleBenjamin I think that was him speaking from the heart, before a family member got in his ear and pushed him to test his market value.
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🚨Rob Wright III has entered the portal 🚨
Quote from a post season interview locker room interview.
"If I'm in a college jersey, I'll be attending BYU for sure" - Rob Wright III
Is this just a leverage move? Negotiating tactics of the modern era?
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An opinion is liking pineapple on pizza. Saying the Moon landing was faked is not an opinion. It is a claim about reality, and reality comes with receipts. We have video, photos, mission logs, independent tracking from other countries, laser reflectors still sitting on the lunar surface, and astronauts who can explain every step of the mission in technical detail. That is not “your truth.” That is evidence.
Calling it an opinion is just the last stage of denial. It is what happens when someone realizes the facts are not on their side and decides to pretend facts are optional. They are not. The Moon landing happened. The evidence is overwhelming. And “I believe otherwise” does not magically turn science into a suggestion.
If your argument collapses the moment facts enter the room, it was never an opinion. It was just wrong.
Jaroslav Tavgen🇪🇺@TavgenJaroslav
@LizzardMFK @ManaByte Flat-Earthers also consider their beliefs "facts". You will never reach a consensus on what is a "fact". So everything is an opinion.
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@NewsCapGroup @LDS_Dems Former public school teacher here. If teachers could actually indoctrinate students, it would be to do things like pay attention, do homework, and wear deodorant.
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@LDS_Dems There is no benefit of public schools. They indoctrinate children into strange leftist immoral trash and uneducate them in the process.
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Local schools provide a huge benefit--higher property values, lower crime, an educated workforce--and even if you choose not to participate in that school, you still get the benefit.
Homeschooling doesn't exempt you from the benefits of public schools.
James Fishback@j_fishback
If you decide to pull your child from public school and homeschool your child You should get the full $13,000 for your child that would have been spent on your child in public school
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@itschappy Why don't you give it a shot before you condemn it. It was piloted in various wards, and from what i've heard, they love it.
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Just go back to 3 hour church or shorten sacrament meeting if you want to meet each class/quorum each week… 25 minutes isn’t enough to have a real meaningful lesson in either class.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints@Ch_JesusChrist
In advance of the upcoming general conference leadership session (April 2, 2026), The First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has announced upcoming adjustments to the Sunday class meeting schedule to support members in their efforts to be lifelong disciples of Jesus Christ. The adjustments will strengthen gospel learning in homes and congregations throughout the world. Beginning September 6, 2026, the alternating weekly schedule for Sunday School and quorum or class meetings will be replaced. Under the updated schedule: • Sunday School, Relief Society, elders quorum, Young Women and Aaronic Priesthood quorum meetings will be held each week. • Sacrament meeting will continue to be 60 minutes, followed by brief transition periods. • Sunday School and quorum and class meetings will each be 25 minutes. • Primary will continue every Sunday and will be 55 minutes, held while adults and youth attend their respective classes. • Where local circumstances necessitate, units may begin with Primary and quorum and class meetings and conclude with sacrament meeting. Visit the link below to learn more: Newsroom.ChurchOfJesusChrist.org/article/change…
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@FatherQuads Maybe more of our teachers just need to learn how to get to the point. I often get more out of a 15 minute conference talk than I do out of an hour long SS or EQ lesson. And that's with the men in charge. So, let's do better. More focused, better educational leadership.
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They let women be SS presidents and immediately said "this should be as brief as possible"
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints@Ch_JesusChrist
In advance of the upcoming general conference leadership session (April 2, 2026), The First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has announced upcoming adjustments to the Sunday class meeting schedule to support members in their efforts to be lifelong disciples of Jesus Christ. The adjustments will strengthen gospel learning in homes and congregations throughout the world. Beginning September 6, 2026, the alternating weekly schedule for Sunday School and quorum or class meetings will be replaced. Under the updated schedule: • Sunday School, Relief Society, elders quorum, Young Women and Aaronic Priesthood quorum meetings will be held each week. • Sacrament meeting will continue to be 60 minutes, followed by brief transition periods. • Sunday School and quorum and class meetings will each be 25 minutes. • Primary will continue every Sunday and will be 55 minutes, held while adults and youth attend their respective classes. • Where local circumstances necessitate, units may begin with Primary and quorum and class meetings and conclude with sacrament meeting. Visit the link below to learn more: Newsroom.ChurchOfJesusChrist.org/article/change…
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