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@CaitlinJustini There is nothing of Israel, nothing of Jesus Christ, about Jessica Doberneck, the woman in that video. Many are called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen, because their hearts are so set much upon the things of this world & aspire to the honors of men.

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Caitlin Justin@CaitlinJustini·6h

It is impossible to promote the idea that in motherhood we have the most noble and divine calling a woman can possibly have, yet some “strengths need a different environment to thrive and grow.” No mortal profession allows strengths to thrive and grow like motherhood. The end.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·4h

@jennofthewest Its like abortion. Its not actually hard to understand; they already know. But they can't bear to face their own motives. So they fight the fight of ignorance & rationaliztion. But when they were very little, they all wanted their mother to love them as completely as they did her

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Jennifer@jennofthewest·5h

I honestly can't understand why I have to explain this to people like it's their first day on earth. Heaven help me.

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@kissames @SocialistMormon Her as the provider means that she can't quit to raise children, regardless of what he contributes to the family. To me, a provider husband means that I'm able to stay at home with my children while they are young. She can't. It's all on her and that will have an effect.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·5h

@NoblestCalling @aaronbarlow I think you are fortunate that this post has no traction. You are hitting a nerve here for men. For many men it has become deeply personal that DEI policies have put women they know are not very capable into schools, jobs, scholarships etc instead of themselves.

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Tweet is the Work 🌷@NoblestCalling·11h

@aaronbarlow Not cynical take is that LSAT scores made this happen 😂

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Tweet is the Work 🌷@NoblestCalling·12h

That's not very famproc of them!

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John Robertson@john_mortal·5h

@BYUFlorida @KTMartin25 Your own personal whims are sacred? What sort of megalomaniac comes up with such a claim. In the old testament the arc of the covenant is sacred. But your own whims? They get to be "sacred"?

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BYU Florida 🐆⚔️@BYUFlorida·1d

@KTMartin25 “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” This is the rule

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K.T. Martin 🇺🇲@KTMartin25·1d

I have no criticism for this brother. Exceptions happen and that's okay, but if the exception is promoted and becomes the rule, then we are in big trouble. We have enough sources promoting exceptions. We need the church to promote the rule. That's the outrage being expressed.

“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate

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John Robertson@john_mortal·7h

@p2antwife Thanks for posting something pretty into the dark depths of twitter.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·8h

@jreubenc1ark @TuskedUp For the uninitiated, could you explain?

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jreubenclarknationalist@jreubenc1ark·9h

@TuskedUp The “sports bro” test remains undefeated

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Tusked Up🦣🏒@TuskedUp·1d

The comments to this post are so disgusting. It’s wild how much these men actually just hate women.

“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate

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John Robertson@john_mortal·9h

@darthcaro My answer will be very, very different from everyone elses. At least read the first bit if you are willing, as it took time to write:

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Caro 𓍊𓋼𓆏𓋼𓍊@darthcaro·1d

As a woman in the church I just wish the church would ask more of women. Ask us to sacrifice our desires to better follow the gospel. Ask us to follow modesty guidelines. Ask us to behave more meekly and to submit to divine authority. Ask us to repent and do better. This is the problem a lot of women I know have with relief society. So often it’s a feel-good message about self-worth. That’s important too IF it comes along with asking us to sacrifice & repent! Im tired of hearing “women are so much better than men” and “men only get the priesthood because they suck, while women are inherently perfect creatures.” I’m just tired of being coddled like a special snowflake that will wither with a bit of criticism. CRITICIZE ME! I AM NOT AT ALL WHERE I NEED TO BE! I NEED TO BE BETTER!

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John Robertson@john_mortal·9h

@RadderdaySaint The linqua franca of the initial post is money & honor. It doesn't even see children & what will be most dear to their hearts as worth consideration. Begone foul troll. I have no time for monsters except when they are menacing innocent women.

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Nugh Hibley@RadderdaySaint·11h

@john_mortal You completely misread the initial post which is not presenting it as anything close to the standard or typical, in fact it's presented as something that went differently than expected and how one might get there. Imputing the motives as money and honor is your projection.

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Nugh Hibley@RadderdaySaint·1d

choose to not be offended Heidi

I’m feeling so discouraged that the message from my Savior’s church is that my dreams and my worth lie in the workplace. We are barraged my this messaging from the world, that we aren’t enough till we contribute in the workforce. We need to make motherhood valued again. There is no greater calling.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·9h

@NealDH1972 @jedekiah Aww, it makes me sad to hear you say that. The restoration of all old & ancient lost things is about how you can do things your own way, no need to look back to old things, or even your mother & her apple butter? Well, that is too bad. But its nice to run into you even so.

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Neal Henshaw@NealDH1972·10h

@john_mortal @jedekiah I’m saying that, if the spirit directs, and your focus is still raising up a family in the gospel, it can be done. Just because it was done one way previously doesn’t mean that it always has to be done that way. That’s what I’m preaching. And what my parents taught me.

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Jedekiah@jedekiah·1d

My wife and I got married while we were both young and in college. We intended to finish schooling but the honeymoon was a success and boom! our eldest son arrived 9 months later. I dropped out, she stayed home. I worked multiple jobs. When our son was 1 she started taking classes again. Then our oldest daughter came! I felt strongly that I too needed to resume my education. So I did, while working 40-50 hours a week. We trudged through undergrad this way, me working insane hours, her taking care of the kids and both of us doing our courses. As we approached graduation, we found out our second daughter was on the way. We were both also on track to apply for graduate programs. We prayed earnestly about what to do, and didn’t get a clear answer, but both our programs were tough to get into so we figured we would apply and let God determine our path. We were flabbergasted when we were both accepted! But had faith that the Lord knew what the plan was. My doctoral program was intensive, M-F classes all day for two years prior to clinical rotations for a year, and my wife’s program was Friday nights and all day Saturdays. We had no external family support, it was us and the Lord. But we buckled down, had our second son the final year of our programs, and graduated back to back weekends. My wife is now the school counselor at our kids elementary school. It’s awesome. With the big kids all day and summers off. I have a successful therapy practice and lots of flexibility. We just welcomed our fifth child. All this to say, it’s possible to do both. My wife and I have both been blessed with intelligence and a capacity to help many of Gods children, our own and the ones we see professionally. We both serve faithfully in our church callings. I hope the fellow in this post and his wife experience the same joy we’ve found!

“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate

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John Robertson@john_mortal·11h

@jayjazz3 @ThoughtfulSaint I think my words fit any couple who would call themselves a "power couple" or who would measure a father & mother by their money & honor.

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Josh Roberts 🇵🇾@jayjazz3·12h

@john_mortal @ThoughtfulSaint That’s truly how you feel about the prophets, apostles, seventy, & their wives?

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Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint·1d

In an era where birth rates are dropping in the church and the prophet has expressed the need to change that trend is this really the message we need? And I say this as someone who is totally fine with a woman being the primary breadwinner…. Timing just seems a little strange.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·11h

@Zion_GPT Or this fun one: different meaning for each change of word emphasis: *I* never said she stole the money. I NEVER said she stole the money. I never SAID she stole the money. I never said SHE stole the money. I never said she STOLE the money I never said she stole the MONEY

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ZionGPT 🤠 🏔️ 📖@Zion_GPT·12h

@john_mortal Now I’M hungry. NOW I’m hungry. Now I’m HUNGRY. Now I’m hungry. Same words, different tone. 😂

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ZionGPT 🤠 🏔️ 📖@Zion_GPT·1d

Get to the Salt Lake Temple grounds - NOW. The entire area has blooming flowers and fresh grass, and it looks and SMELLS like Heaven. There are plenty of places to sit, relax, and ponder.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·12h

@Zion_GPT That is funny. Unless you are serious. I wasn't mad. But I think you are making a joke. I suppose using the imperative with all caps seems a bit click-baity to me. It feels like a commercial telling me I must try the Super McSandwich NOW. Of course, thats just my opinon.

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ZionGPT 🤠 🏔️ 📖@Zion_GPT·12h

@john_mortal Why so MAD ?

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John Robertson@john_mortal·12h

@VVenerabilis The JST is correct, but incomplete story. Its like the guy read that one JST bit & ignored everything else the scriptures plainly say about it as well as Joseph Smith's own plain words. Just stupid. Posted now to get people to embrace a media post likely created by ASherinian.

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VulpesVenerabilis@VVenerabilis·22h

Absolutely excellent. And true.

Why did Judas betray Jesus? It's not the reason you think. I've seen much speculation on how "Satan entered into Judas" and inspired him to betray the Savior: "Maybe he was corrupted by greed? He did steal from the treasury of the Quorum, after all, and got paid a small sum for his betrayal." "Maybe he was trying to force Jesus into wider publicity and show signs? No more of this 'tell no man' business?" "Maybe He was trying to force Jesus to be the Messiah he wanted? Put Him in a position where He had to use His power against Rome?" In the end, who can really say why Judas did what he did? Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord. He can really say. In the JST of Mark 14, he directly tells us Judas's motivation: "Judas Iscariot, even one of the twelve, went unto the chief priests, to betray Jesus unto them, for he turned away from him, and was offended because of his words." The damning influence that guided Judas down the dark path to deliver His Savior to death is the same influence that pulls women out of attending Relief Society, makes men disregard their Priesthood leaders, and breaks the bonds of brotherhood and sisterhood all across the Church: offense. Offense is addicting because being it's a combination of three psychological highs: 1. A position of moral superiority 2. Victimhood/underdog status 3. A "bad guy" to blame our problems on That's an intoxicating mixture. This is why, years ago, I adopted a motto that guides my interpersonal interactions: "Never underestimate someone's tendency to take offense. Including your own." Satan is extremely powerful with the potent sin of offense. In fact, he has influenced our very vocabulary around it! Rarely do you hear someone utter the phrase "I took offense" or "he took offense." Instead, we place the responsibility on the other party: "Her remarks are offensive. He offended me. I am offended that you did that." When we speak like that, we deny our agency, and make ourselves objects to be acted upon. Beware such thinking. Don't minimize it. Nursing a grudge places you in grave spiritual danger. It doesn't matter if the other person has repented or reconciled. Learn the lesson of Judas: don't hold your own spiritual life hostage over something someone else said or did. Elder @BednarDavidA gave an amazing talk on this subject a few years ago. I invite everyone to read it frequently: churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-…

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John Robertson@john_mortal·12h

@BrotherGreen13 What rot. As if breaking the hearts of your children for money or honor is "keeping your covenants". Oh sure, as parent you'll be able to gaslight them into repeating that you love them more than anything. And they won't remember the most painful moments due to age. But God does.

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Brother Green@BrotherGreen13·23h

I saw that someone was living their covenants but their life path looks very different than mine or looks differently than I would have chosen for them. I had to show how pious I am by declaring doctrine and lamenting how far the Church has fallen.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·12h

@NealDH1972 @jedekiah #2/2 It is one thing not to want to hurt your wife's feelings, & another to proselyte something that would have been a tragedy had it been done by your own parents in your own life. You had such a joyous family. Its a hard thing to replicate. How is your brother?

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John Robertson@john_mortal·12h

@NealDH1972 @jedekiah #1/2 Neal, why are you being a missionary for this. Even if you feel like you pulled it off (which I am not going to agree with), why are you proselyting it. Your Mom was an excellent mother. Top notch. I am glad she was home with you.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·13h

@MissRed_Roses These scriptures are exactly correct.

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MissRed🪔@MissRed_Roses·1d

My guys take a step back from the bread winner idea for a sec. Think about the future income earning potential for this family. When schooling and training are done, she can earn good income while being a great mom. He can grow into the career he wants as well. I so wanted to go into medicine and didn't because I thought it was too many hours. I now know so many women in specialty medical fields who have great income and a ton of time with their kids because they work part time. What a blessing I wish I had the foresight to see when I was younger. Oh and they have great husbands who work full time who aren't completely stressed about income.

“I grew up in Arizona, served a mission in Mexico, and went to college thinking I had a pretty clear path for my life. Then I met my now wife Victoria, and everything changed in the best way. “She always knew she wanted to be a doctor. Pediatric neurology isn’t an easy road, but it’s who she is, compassionate, steady, brilliant, and drawn to help kids and families through the hardest things life hands them. When she got into med school in California, we packed up and moved. “Stepping into her dream together was an easy choice. I wanted to support her the way she has always supported me. And honestly, watching her work and sacrifice and love people like she does has strengthened my faith more than anything else. “My path hasn’t been as clear. I’ve tried different directions, learned a lot, prayed a lot. Some days I still feel like I’m figuring it out. But I do know that God doesn’t measure timelines. He measures love, humility, and the way we show up for each other. “Supporting her doesn’t shrink my purpose—it expands it. Our callings from God can look different, and that’s beautiful. I’m building my future too, but I’m grateful that right now, part of my purpose is cheering for the person I love most as she steps into hers. “There’s not one 'right way' to build a family or a future. For us, this is ours. And it’s sacred.” — Nate

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John Robertson@john_mortal·13h

@jayjazz3 @ThoughtfulSaint "Power couples"? For being so obsessed with money & honor that their children are of secondary concern compared to their own great big egos, their own need for grand things? That is power? I suppose that the devil might call that power. Its really just selfish petty ego couples.

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Josh Roberts 🇵🇾@jayjazz3·1d

@ThoughtfulSaint Many of our leaders in the church are married to women that have masters, doctorates, PhDs, multiple degrees, etc. They were still able to have children & raise a family. We call those power couples. I don’t see the problem.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·13h

@I_am_sarah_also It is not actually being a peacemaker to teach women to abandon their children for money & honor, or to stay silent if such a thing is taught. The children themselves will be able to rise up at the judgment and testify that those who taught their mothers such did not make peace.

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Another Sarah@I_am_sarah_also·1d

Maybe that post was a test to see if we’re being peacemakers now. Whether or not we fail will decide what President Oaks speaks about in October.

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John Robertson@john_mortal·13h

@ASBaird Nah, you're just both really lousy parents. But you have money, & honor, which is what mattered most to you both. And you can train your children up to think you did it all for them. Here, there are a few grand scriptures that address the matter.

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