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Salt Lake City, Utah เข้าร่วม Kasım 2011
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Clint Teeples
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If you actually knew the history of Christianity, you'd see why Latter-day Saints don't accept the Trinity the way other Christians define it. And why that's a totally reasonable position. Start with the timeline. For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was no Nicene Trinity. The word "trinity" wasn't even used until around 200 AD, by an early Christian writer named Tertullian. Early Christian writers had all kinds of different views about how the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost related to each other. They didn't agree. Many of those views wouldn't match the formal doctrine that came later. Same goes for the body of God. The Bible describes him with face, hands, and form. The idea that he's bodiless came from Greek philosophy, not from scripture. So what changed? In 325 AD, the Roman emperor Constantine called a council at Nicaea to settle the argument. The argument was about whether Jesus was fully divine or a created being. Bishops were told to sign the creed or get exiled. Even some of the bishops who signed it didn't fully agree with it. That's how the Trinity became official. Not because the Bible spelled it out. Because an emperor needed unity. The same thing was happening with how God himself was described. The Bible talked about God in physical terms. The councils used Greek philosophical categories to settle the question. The Bible's more physical language about God got reinterpreted in those abstract terms. Here's where Latter-day Saints actually land. We believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. We pray to the Father in the name of the Son. We baptize in all three names. What we don't accept is the philosophy added later, that they're "one substance" in some Greek metaphysical sense. That part isn't in the Bible. It was developed later by theologians working out questions the Bible didn't directly answer. We also read the Bible's language about God's body the way the original audiences did, instead of reinterpreting it to fit Greek philosophy. And this isn't just a Latter-day Saint argument. Mainstream Bible scholars say the same thing. A Jesuit priest named Edmund Fortman wrote that there's "no formal doctrine of the Trinity in the New Testament writers." Harper's Bible Dictionary says the formal Trinity doctrine "is not to be found in the New Testament." Here's a way to think about it: Imagine a grandmother passes down a recipe. Three hundred years later, her descendants argue about whether she meant a pinch of salt or a teaspoon, and whether butter or olive oil is acceptable. One branch of the family writes up an "official" version and says anyone who doesn't follow it isn't really making grandma's recipe. The original recipe didn't say. The official version was added later. That's the situation with the Bible and the Trinity. The Bible has Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The specific Nicene formula came centuries later. The disagreement didn't end at Nicaea, either. For over 1,000 years, Catholics and Orthodox have argued about whether the Holy Spirit comes from the Father alone or from the Father and the Son. That's a fight about the nature of the Trinity itself. Two ancient Christian traditions, two different views, both still considered Christian. So the idea that there's one fixed Trinity test for being Christian doesn't hold up. To be clear, none of this is a shot at people who believe the Nicene Trinity. Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, all of them are sincere Christians. Their faith is real. They have every right to worship how they see fit. The point here is just that Latter-day Saints reading the Bible and reaching a different conclusion isn't weird, dishonest, or anti-Christian. It's a position that fits the historical record. There's also a contradiction worth noticing. A lot of people say "the Bible alone is enough," and then turn around and say "you also have to accept the creeds to be Christian." Those two ideas can't both be true. Either the Bible is enough or it isn't. Early Christian art reflected the same uncertainty. Different communities pictured God in different ways for centuries before a unified image took hold. So here's the bottom line. Reasonable people read the New Testament and land where Latter-day Saints land. So did a lot of early Christians before the councils made one view official. You don't have to agree with us. Just understand that our position has roots in actual Christian history, not in some random departure from it. Believe the Trinity. Don't believe the Trinity. The history is what it is. Knowing it doesn't threaten anyone's faith. It just clears up why other Christians read the Bible the way they do.
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Clint Teeples
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In a 60 Minutes interview, Ben Sasse notes that Latter-day Saints are among the only groups of people with a fertility rate above replacement.
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“We've stopped making babies. We've decided that being distracted by a dopamine hit around Candy Crush might be a good way to spend your time. Not if you're a full human," former Sen. Ben Sasse says in an extended interview. cbsn.ws/4cA1Jrp

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Rachelle Morris
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On Nov 1, 2025, @KariLisonbee took me to breakfast and told me that she had a clear answer to prayer from the Lord to not run for re-election in her Utah House seat. Karianne fought back tears as she told me this was hard to do, but she wasn’t going to fight the Lord. Following that breakfast, the Gibson ruling happened and all the redistricting drama that settled on that map for 2026. On Feb 20, 2026, I got a phone call from Karianne, informing me that several of her House colleagues had just approached her to run for CD2. Various folks across Northern Utah had already asked her to consider, so when that many colleagues asked her to run, she told me she was going to take the weekend to consider and pray about it. It takes a special kind of public servant to walk away from a legislative seat in which she had dominated every race, and to walk into uncertainty with faith and grace. It takes a special kind of public servant to serve so earnestly in her lame duck final session that her colleagues would ask her to run for Congress (42 have endorsed her). It takes a special kind of public servant to go all in on running to WIN against an “incumbent” with over $2M in his campaign account. Karianne is that special kind of public servant. She’s passed 100+ bills. She’s the only Utah woman to win 2 House Majority Whip elections. She’s got a relentless work ethic and inner drive to serve her constituents and the good people of Utah more broadly. Cheering on this GOOD public servant at state convention tomorrow! 🇺🇸
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Karianne Lisonbee@KariLisonbee

As we head to state convention tomorrow, I’m sharing the message I’ve texted CD2 delegates: Northern Utah deserves a trusted leader with a conservative record. During my time in the Legislature, I championed conservative causes over and over again! I sponsored the majority of our pro life and 2nd amendment bills, including one of the most important 2nd amendment laws in the country. I balanced budget after budget and brought more transparency to the budgetary process. I passed laws that bring justice to victims by holding their abusers accountable. I pushed back against Covid mandates. And I voted repeatedly to give parents more control over their children’s education. I will make my experience work for you in Congress! I’m not going to DC to be influenced by the swamp, send me to DC and I pledge to hold fast to my conservative principles and serve YOU! I humbly ask for your vote at the state convention this Saturday. I’m grateful to everyone who has joined Team Karianne. Let’s go win convention tomorrow! 🇺🇸

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Are they a paper or a leftest NGO?
John D. Johnson@johnforutah

The Tribune Discovers It’s Not the Editor of College Republicans It is almost impressive how much institutional weight the Salt Lake Tribune can bring to bear on a 23-year-old college student. A full-length feature, curated screenshots, outside “researchers,” national activist quotes, and a commissioned illustration, all to arrive at a startling conclusion: a College Republican holds views the Tribune does not like. Film at 11. What is actually happening here is not journalism in the classical sense. It is narrative enforcement. The structure is predictable. Select the most inflammatory phrasing available. Surround it with pre-approved interpreters. Add moral framing. Omit any serious engagement with the underlying policy questions. Then present the conclusion as self-evident. The reader is not invited to think. The reader is instructed how to feel. And that is the tell. Because if this were about ideas, the Tribune would debate them. Immigration policy is a legitimate domain of democratic disagreement. Questions of assimilation, sovereignty, labor markets, and cultural continuity are not fringe topics. They are core questions of nationhood that serious thinkers across the political spectrum have wrestled with for generations. But engaging those arguments would require something increasingly rare in modern legacy media: intellectual risk. So instead, we get taxonomy. Labels in place of reasoning. “White nationalist.” “Extremist.” “Optics.” Once the label is applied, the argument is presumed defeated. It is a rhetorical shortcut masquerading as analysis. The religious framing is particularly revealing. A young Latter-day Saint is asked, implicitly, to reconcile his political views with a standard the Tribune itself does not apply to any secular ideology it favors. The subtext is clear: orthodoxy is acceptable, but only when it aligns with progressive priors. Otherwise, it becomes a subject of public correction. But the deeper irony is this: the Tribune is not actually concerned that College Republicans might think wrongly. It is concerned that they might think independently. That they might organize outside approved channels. That they might persuade others without passing through institutional filters. That is what drives a piece like this. Not fear of bad ideas, but loss of control over who gets to define them. The Salt Lake Tribune is free to disagree with any student, any organization, any position. That is its right. But when disagreement becomes an attempt to socially preempt debate rather than engage it, it stops being journalism and starts looking a lot like the thing it claims to oppose. And perhaps that is the most unintentionally revealing part of all.

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Serious things to think about
John D. Johnson@johnforutah

Where are the roots? Every generation confuses capability with wisdom. The printing press did not make men truthful. Nuclear physics did not make men peaceful. Each amplified what was already there. AI faces that same temptation at unprecedented scale, because for the first time the tool itself generates knowledge-shaped content. It does not distribute what humans create. It produces. And what it produces looks indistinguishable from truth to anyone who lacks the formation to tell the difference. This is the cut flowers problem made catastrophic. A cut flower borrows life it cannot replenish. Huang’s synthetic data cycle is structurally identical. One seed of ground truth goes in. Billions of synthetic samples come out. Each generation of training is further from the original. The signal degrades invisibly. A civilization training intelligence on intelligence trained on intelligence has produced the most sophisticated cut flower arrangement in history. The only defense is a generation that knows what ground truth looks like from the inside. Ben Shapiro put the foundation plainly: Western civilization rests on two pillars, Athens and Jerusalem. Reason and revelation. The Greek mind pursued truth through logic and argument. The Judeo-Christian tradition grounded truth in something prior to argument. God spoke. Reality has moral order not because humans reasoned their way to it but because it was given. Elias Boudinot made the same point against Thomas Paine in 1801. Pure reason untethered from revelation does not produce enlightenment. It produces drift. Buckley saw the same collapse at Yale a century and a half later. The founders chose Urim and Thummim, lights and perfections, divine instruments for making truth accessible. By 1951 the institution had kept the motto and abandoned the source. The AI generation is inheriting that abandoned building. The vocabulary of truth seeking remains. The foundations are gone. This matters more now than it ever did. Current AI systems are not slow humans. They are alien intelligences with no values, no continuity of purpose, no stake in whether what they generate is true. They optimize for the statistical shape of truth within their training distribution. That is not truth. It is a very convincing imitation of truth, compounding at a speed no human team can audit in real time. A student formed by Homer, Plato, Burke, and Tocqueville has something no model has: a felt sense of the difference between thought grounded in reality and thought merely performing the shape of it. That formation comes from Athens. The conviction that there is something real to pursue, that truth is not a construct but a discovery, that moral order precedes human agreement rather than following from it, that comes from Jerusalem. Strip either pillar and the arch collapses. The AI generation will be the first in history to work alongside tools that generate fluent, confident, structurally coherent falsehood faster than any human can produce truth. Filters help. Sandboxes help. But the only irreplaceable protection is a human being formed to recognize truth because they have spent years in its pursuit, anchored in both reason and the revelation that tells them why truth is worth pursuing at all. SB 334 is not nostalgia. It is the only serious answer to the most serious epistemological problem any generation has ever faced. Whoever wins the compute war without that formation has not gained power. They have gained an accelerant with no one holding it who knows what fire is for. Jensen Huang gave us the economics of AI. He did not give us the ethics. The economics tell us who builds the most powerful systems. The ethics determine whether those systems serve truth or simulate it. That determination gets made one student at a time, in the tension between Athens and Jerusalem, before they ever touch a GPU. No amount of compute makes that obsolete.

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Karianne Lisonbee
Karianne Lisonbee@KariLisonbee·
What a night! Thank you to all the delegates and citizens who spent their evening with me. Next stop, Logan on Thursday! 🇺🇸
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Big Rock Insights
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Utah's GOP Delegates don't seem to like Blake Moore very much... 2020 Convention: > Kerry Gibson 57% > Blake Moore 43% 2022: > Andrew Badger 59.3% > Moore 40.7% 2024: > Paul Miller 54.8% > Moore 45.2% This year he's being challenged by State Rep Karianne Lisonbee. Will the delegates reject Moore and support his challenger for a 3rd election in a row? @ElectBlakeMoore @KariLisonbee
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Blake D. Moore@ElectBlakeMoore

Full house tonight in Weber for delegate training! Looking forward to welcoming back returning delegates and meeting new ones. See you soon!

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