@AMoser_E @avrilbradley23 California has without exaggeration some of the most productive agricultural land on earth for a number of different types of crops.
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VeteranNoob
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VeteranNoob
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MA European History, degenerate
เข้าร่วม Eylül 2019
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One of thr worst things about sprawl is that it encourages exurban development in prime agricultural land. This is less of a problem on the East Coast and esp Midwest but in California it means agriculture is increasingly pushed out of the coastal belt.
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Given how rare large swaths of flat land are to come by on the California Coast and how dire the state is in need of housing its surprising to me that the Salinas Valley hasn't been developed more its only got 390K people!
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@IntractableLion @LudditeDesign None of the actually developed parts of the cities on the Caltrain corridor are anywhere near that close, they're mostly at least several miles away. And those of the southern half are more distant from it than SF is, yet no more densely developed than the northern half.
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@VeteranNoob1 @LudditeDesign There is a vast difference between "near a fault" meaning several miles and "near a fault" meaning 150 feet to the site where it actually reaches the surface
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Mandatory geology classes for everyone, one of these is *literally* named San Andreas Lake
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Drove from San Jose to SF for the first time ever today (I’m not from California). Absolutely shocked, floored, etc. at the incredible lack of development. Just mile after mile of trees and hills, not a single building or road, in what’s probably a top five value-per-acre area. I see why people are mad about NIMBYism now…
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@IntractableLion @LudditeDesign There are literally two different fault lines that run directly under Tokyo itself.
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@LudditeDesign Japan builds close to faults. That valley next to 280 is the literal actual San Andreas fault, it's full of water because it's actively sagging into the fault
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@IntractableLion The zoning policies across San Mateo county are the exact same sort of suburban zoning policies you find everywhere in the US, earthquake concerns had nothing to do with it. Don't act smug when you're just pulling shit out of your ass about a history you know nothing about
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet Exactly my point: Detroit has a lot of vacant lots and empty houses because it has high overall supply of property and low overall demand, hence low overall prices. Supply and demand
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@VeteranNoob1 @beyond_process @JohanMullet How many vacant lots and homes exist in Detroit? How much in percentage compared to LA, San Francisco, Boston, New York?
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Listen to this whiny Ann Arbor landlord piss and moan about having to compete with new apartments instead of just letting all of his properties degrade.
If you hate renters this much, you shouldn't be in this business. Housing can be affordable or a good investment, not both.
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@americanamemes It's no Europe, but LA does have a lot of cool art deco buildings in its core neighborhoods.
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet You think the physical area of Detroit is why it has the cheapest housing of any major city in the US? Then why is housing in Los Angeles multiple times as expensive as in Detroit?
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet It's not a "theory", it's just basic supply and demand economics. If prices are rising despite increasing supply, that means demand is outpacing supply for that neighborhood.
Supply and demand is why Detroit has the overall lowest housing costs of any major US city.
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@VeteranNoob1 @beyond_process @JohanMullet Well if that’s the theory why aren’t home prices going down besides places where people leave? Housing inventory has risen in pretty much every major hub
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet No, more housing does make housing more affordable b/c it reduces renter competition, this is proven by numerous studies & to deny that is anti-science.
Affordable housing just doesn't reduce average housing costs any more than market rate housing does.
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@VeteranNoob1 @beyond_process @JohanMullet So back to the point of this entire post, more housing doesn’t make it more affordable it just means more options.. The builders could make it more expensive if they so choose then fight it in court if the city plans to fight them, which I’m sure won’t lead to the city bending
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet "Affordable housing", which is a misnomer to refer to income restricted housing, is a scam that doesn't actually make housing more affordable, so that's a good thing.
Low-income housing is the last thing an already low-income city like Detroit needs.
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@VeteranNoob1 @beyond_process @JohanMullet Only 15% were affordable housing, so just like Mr.Dumbass from the original post missed its never going to be affordable thanks to the people building them 😃
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@VeteranNoob1 @beyond_process @JohanMullet Over $390 million in lost tax revenue since 2017, and you seem to think we are going to claw it back from them somehow when they would be paying the largest share of it due to certain restrictions on other types of land/housing
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet Even if they did, the long term property taxes are worth it.
There isn't one of these for Detroit specifically, but here are net tax revenue models for Minneapolis and Indianapolis. That is, tax revenue minus tax spending per acre.
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@VeteranNoob1 @beyond_process @JohanMullet So how much taxpayers $ were used to subsidize those properties? I heavily doubt they took on that whole construction cost.. So of those buildings got a kickback just like idk Illitch
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@DetroitLions734 @beyond_process @JohanMullet You have it backwards, they're not costing you taxpayer money, downtown buildings are the largest net contributors to local taxes due to their high property values, especially in Detroit. This is true even if the units aren't physically occupied.
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@beyond_process @JohanMullet @VeteranNoob1 Now do Detroit… Everyone likes to complain about the Ren Cen not having shit then do a complete 180 on these type of construction sites that benefit a certain echelon of people, much like the sprawling condos everywhere downtown that are empty AF and costing us taxpayers $
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@Arno57119Arnold @LVBDWalker96 @BohunkSupremacy The key point here is "market rate", i.e. meaning not income restricted and government subsidized. The locations where multi-unit buildings are most profitable to build typically aren't affordable to low-income residents anyway unless their units are government subsidized.
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@Arno57119Arnold @LVBDWalker96 @BohunkSupremacy I don't think the mid-century "tower in a park" style of development is ideal either since you can achieve comparable density with more pleasant fine grain development, but the real point is that market rate multi-unit developments aren't typically low-income in the modern US.
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Americans sneer at the “commieblocks” of Eastern Europe, but so far it appears that the communists did a much better job of addressing surges in demand for urban housing than the 21st c. United States. The commieblocks are better than this in every conceivable way.
Financial Dystopia@financedystop
"Tiny homes" continue to grow in popularity. These are selling for around $140,000 for just over 600 square feet in Texas.
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@Arno57119Arnold @LVBDWalker96 @BohunkSupremacy Then what you're actually talking about are low-income housing projects, not the "commieblock" style of housing itself.
Stuytown in NYC, Park La Brea in LA, and Park Merced in SF are all examples of "commieblock" style neighborhoods that are mostly high income.
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@VeteranNoob1 @LVBDWalker96 @BohunkSupremacy Those aren’t commie blocks. I am talking about apartment complexes that were specifically built for section 8. That ones that still exist in my city are hellholes. A few years ago there were a couple cases of old women being brutally murdered by “teens” in them.
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@Arno57119Arnold @LVBDWalker96 @BohunkSupremacy Broadly not the case anymore. That was a different time when urban populations were declining due to suburbanization and every major city in the US that didn't expand its municipal boundaries was losing population.
Most mid-rise neighborhoods are increasingly gentrified nowadays
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@VeteranNoob1 @LVBDWalker96 @BohunkSupremacy In the 50s and 60s America did try and build their own version of “commie blocks” and black people basically made them unlivable. Lots have since been demolished.
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