Zinetsu_Storm
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Zinetsu_Storm
@Z1netsu_0
18+ variety streamer. I love gaming.
Game Master's Manor เข้าร่วม Eylül 2024
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@MahouShojoSweep Is this why I didn't get her yet? She's frozen in a block of ice?
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@g0reycorpse If you feel like you are being "too much" then ask them if you are being "too much"
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I fear abandonment but i also fear being “too much” for people so i just sit there silently suffering
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@AllyAguro @MizusPuddle The point of the lawsuit would be about whether or not the files are included in the purchase or not.
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@Z1netsu_0 @MizusPuddle Mentioning they have backups does not create a warranty the "backup" plan will protect, nor ensure it would be released to you. Also, suing a failed small business won't get you made whole. Get in line with the other creditors for $0, even if you won the case.
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A ton of riggers now and talking about how they have a million backups and "dead man switches" to protect your cmo3 file now that casual vtubers are informed about how important and nessecary they are.
I just gotta come out and say it, I think they're lying to you. It's a very easy and unfalsifiable way to claim they've fixed the problem without you being able to see any sort of protections. It also still doesn't fix the issue cause you're still required to come back to them for more work until they kick the bucket.
Riggers, just give your clients their files. Please, just stop digging.
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@ChiiFett The risk differs depending on where you go. I wouldn't consider it "a level of trust", I would consider it "an expectation".
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@Z1netsu_0 This is literally a risk with any type of online transaction though. Not just art and rigging. There is always a level of trust that goes into any transaction.
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The thing that becomes an issue is that you can take a blade that was made by a bladesmith to somebody else to have it repaired if it is repairable. You can take it to somebody else to style it and sharpen it. I don't think the file would be considered a tool. I think the program used to make it would be considered a tool.
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@MizusPuddle @Z1netsu_0 Okay so Riggers in question do have the opportunity as in the sense more of a bladesmith who has to make his own tools. So it would determine is the court file it as a tool or as a recipe both are legally protected but tools are much more socially defined concept
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Communication solves a lot of issues, as long as the agreement is upheld. But that's not going to work all the time. Talking it out beforehand doesn't prevent one side from not upholding their end of the deal.
If somebody gets commissioned and either the commissioner or the person commissioned ghost the other, do they get the similar treatment?
When somebody is getting commissioned, do the person placing the commission and the person being commissioned each have similar standing for negotiation?
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@Z1netsu_0 I said a couple times now that the responsibility should be on both parties to communicate their needs and come to an agreement before money changes hands or anyone commits to the project. I truly believe communication can solve this issue.
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@ignatius_en If those were said by different people it would be good to specify that.
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Someone dead ass explained, and I shit you not:
• "I can't hand over the cm03 if I don't trust the customer."
• "I'll only give it to them if they pay extra." 😏
• "I'm worried they will take the cm03 and learn how to start rigging themselves and fuck with my business model."
Comrade Del ☢️🥃 Gasmask Mothman@Comrade_Del
The entire discourse about the cmo3 files is kind of eye opening about how full of it a lot of these riggers are. I know you'll hate to hear it... but literally NOBODY needs or wants to copy your workflow or whatever it is you think people want. Acting like the cmo3 file contains some grand secret recipe for new spices when it's just basic ass salt and pepper that everybody already has. You are literally nothing special. You're part of the 99.9% just like everyone else is. Your work isn't special or unique enough for people to even want to copy it. You are literally a basic ass freelancer mortal like everyone else is. Fucking no-names from Indonesia on Fiverr are doing it better than you do. For cheaper too! The fucking arrogance of some people...
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@Zelrone_ If you're buying a car does the dealership stop you from changing the specs after you buy it? From painting the car after you buy it? From redoing the interior after you buy it?
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The Internet has been annoying me so much the past few days, especially on the Rigging fiasco, so here's my 2 cents. Grow up, people.
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@AquillonVT @MizusPuddle That could have an effect on how it would be ruled in court.
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@MizusPuddle @Z1netsu_0 Generally speaking, at least in the US, there's already settled case law on stuff like this. We have standing rulings that commissioned work belongs to the client in its entirety
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Probably. The big factor of it would probably be about restoring the rig if it gets damaged somehow. Upgrading/updating the rig. And whether or not the rigger gets to force near exclusivity.
If you buy a painting and it gets damaged then you can go to a professional restorer. You aren't forced to go back to the original artist. But I'm not sure how much weight that would have behind it.
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@Z1netsu_0 The problem is the lack of real contract is gonna make this more of a fight over what a reasonable person would think based on their communication and the web of other copyright, which a lot of artists forget they don't suddenly own everything cause they did one part of the brand
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@MizusPuddle Whoever could make the better argument would probably win. But it would be a matter of the base strength from an argument and what it could/would be compared to that would stick.
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@Z1netsu_0 Depends who has the better lawyer. I could see it going either way easily.
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@Zenko404 Driving to go pick up food that you want is easy, yet people use doordash and uber eats. Something being easy doesn't mean everybody will do it.
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Like, if rigging was as easy as some are suggesting. Everyone would do it, right?
There is plenty of free tutorials, steps by steps and tips share.
In my own case I didn't wanted to pay, so I learned it myself.
And is never get any easier to do, let me tell you that much lol
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While I understand the client side in this discussion, some of you are being SUPER nasty LMAO.
The lack of respect & trying to diminish the work that takes to actually rig just so you can argue how a rigger' work doesn't mean much to be so protective of source files is a choice.
Wynterpuppy ♡Direwolf Dragon♡「Vulgradath Academy」@WynterpuppyVT
Riggers if I'm paying you to rig my model that file should also go to me. I PAID FOR IT. it is MY MODEL. Like what is this industry ? I pay THOUSANDS of dollars to not own the file of my own rigged model ????
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@GrandmaGracieB Having the file means that you're automatically going to recreate their work?
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are we all ignoring that giving the file gives you the key to all of their rigging practices/all of the details on how to make+recreate their rigging? like, sorry but no this is not something that should be standard.
Your Model =/= Your Rights to recreate their Work
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Wynterpuppy ♡Direwolf Dragon♡「Vulgradath Academy」@WynterpuppyVT
Riggers if I'm paying you to rig my model that file should also go to me. I PAID FOR IT. it is MY MODEL. Like what is this industry ? I pay THOUSANDS of dollars to not own the file of my own rigged model ????
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@SilentNyite @SparkysTech But you're using the orange as an analogy for art. So would the same be applied to the art you buy?
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@Z1netsu_0 @SparkysTech You again?
Also that's not the point I'm arguing. No one is saying you cant use you orange how you'd like. Do you even vtube?
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Please show me a vtuber model and or rigging thats only $30 and not above $300 to $1000, your fucking delusional. I pay that much money for something, I’m getting all of it, and if not, ill find someone else.
🥀alma Karma 🔞🕊️⚰️@partialdecay_
people are so entitled; they think they can pay 30 bucks AND get full copyright as a freebie. they are free to contract work for hire, which defaults all artwork made to the employer. they dont want to do that, because employment is far more expensive than licensing. and they dont want to license to begin with. they just want to get everything for 20 and if you argue against that, you are evil scammer or whatever.
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@hirachichuu It's not a big watermark and it doesn't ruin the art. Fitting it in so it looks nice is good work.
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Good lord. Ruined a perfectly service with that ugly 3 star review for not removing a watermark.
Hanamaru 🍥📚 LOGO COMMS CLOSED@HanamaruVT
@kimithepumpkin For anyone who isn’t aware that person said THIS too btw
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@SilentNyite @SparkysTech If I buy an orange the person that sold me the orange has no say in how I use the orange or what I use it for. The person that sold me the orange also doesn't own the copyright of the orange. Are you sure you want to be comparing digital art to an orange?
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@SparkysTech Just because yoi bought an orange, doesn't mean you own the tree
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