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@coolreplyguy @dotkrueger That is a valid point

@ddums81 @dotkrueger Should we re-write consensus for all the people who had their seed phrases stolen? People must be responsible for their own money. If Satoshi cared about his stash he would have given it to someone else. The network can’t change everytime theft occurs.

Satoshi's coins should not be frozen. Let them be quantum mined. The network will adjust. Proof of work.

Yes miners can and will leave but that weakens the network if there is a mass exodus of miners. Again maybe we recover and probably will but a massive issue and again massive power given to whoever it is. That’s all I’m saying. You are comfortable giving massive power to a stranger. I am not

@ddums81 @dotkrueger If miners don’t like the price they can leave. Bitcoin is a free market network, the difficulty adjustment will still operate the same as always. Smart people would take notice that all the vulnerable coins are gone and buy the discounted price. Free market always wins.

Another question, if Satoshi were alive would he move his coins to quantum secure addresses once available? I think yes since he literally wrote that at some point they will need to be quantum upgraded. So if he doesn’t move them by whatever date is set we would assume he is dead and hasn’t left them to heirs. Then ask yourself if you were in this situation would you rather have your coins be stolen by the NSA or be frozen through consensus? I know that is a hypothetical but a legit question to ask yourself. I would prefer frozen but maybe you would literally want them in the hands of the NSA in this example. If you say let them take them then we are just going to disagree but I respect your opinion. Not many would choose that though just realize that.

@ddums81 @dotkrueger Bitcoin has dropped over 90%+ in the past and recovered. Nothing about the network would fundamentally change in any way. The vulnerable coins would get improved security. Not only would Bitcoin be fine, the network would get stronger.

@sashahodler The blockchain data on the ledger is what is immutable, the network itself was specifically designed to be upgraded over time through consensus. You are conflating two very different things.

BIP-361 proposes freezing Satoshi's Bitcoin to prevent future quantum theft. There is no good reason to freeze bitcoin, ever. Immutability is the point.

It doesn’t give you absolute power you are correct but it gives you the power to significantly tank short to medium term price. Might not be existential, but actually could be. That is power. Do you have the power to decide to tank the price from $75k to sub $20k on a whim? I don’t

@ddums81 @dotkrueger Didn’t shift anything. Owning any % of the bitcoin doesn’t give you power over the network.

@coolreplyguy @dotkrueger New guy here, think you just shifted the argument without answering the question. Does massive price power give you any power was what we are arguing.

@ddums81 @dotkrueger Are you new here? Do you not realize bitcoin price drops significantly relative to other assets and yet the network is still alive and well? If a QC was able to mine Satoshi’s coins they would be likely sent to a QC-proof address creating a more robust network

Having the ability to absolutely tank the price doesn’t give you any power???? Why don’t you ask your ai what would happen to price if all of Satoshi’s coins were sold all at once at market. Report back with what that would do to price and then tell me that ability to affect price is not power in the hands of someone who might want to harm BTC.

@ddums81 @dotkrueger Owning any % of the coins doesn’t give you power over the network. Worst case you sell and drop the price.

@Coinosphere @NickSzabo4 @RepMikeTurner My argument is that I don’t believe the world will be better with Iran having a nuke. I guess that makes me a brainwashed fool. Keep trucking

@ddums81 @NickSzabo4 @RepMikeTurner Then you're a brainwashed fool. The Iranian governments have never done anything to indicate that they're willing to commit suicide. Nor has any country since 1945.

No one is willing to trade lower gas prices for Iran becoming a nuclear state.

@francispouliot_ It’s not let the market decide, it’s let the network decide. And yes, that is how it works and how it was designed. No one man’s opinion matters no matter how vociferous they are, talking to you. Less emotion.

Some people are saying that we should "let the market decide" if some coins should be frozen. Should we also "let the market decide" how many Bitcoin will be issued? Great idea because the market is totally not filled with retards. Anyway, have fun with your shitcoin!

@francispouliot_ It’s a consensus network and if consensus is to freeze them after 3-5 year warning, then this is what he would have wanted. That is how it was designed. Less emotion man.

Anyone that attempts to restrict Satoshi's ability to spend his coins freely, or worse to outright confiscate his coins, is my enemy. I'm willing to give some of them the benefit of the doubt that may merely be retarded and/or fags. Have fun with your shitcoin 🖕

@AB1001_disciple @rachelreising96 We still want the label. Better to start small than not at all.

@rachelreising96 Your community seriously is not ready for the label you'll get. Its going to be intensly frustrating because the mechanism of the drug extends itself to pre-symptomatic patients just as much as it does for early manifest HD.

Even in a situation AMT-130 was approved @rachelreising96 would be denied access until motor symptoms appeared. At which point her brain brain is already dying. You can know this by the preemptive coverage of AMT-130 by Centene leaves pre-early manifest HD dx use off-label.

@Mandrik Couldn’t disagree more

If you recover gold coins from the bottom of the ocean, then you deserve them. If you figure out how to steal Satoshi's coins, then you deserve them. #NoFreeze

The cleanest way to “freeze” quantum-insecure coins is just to sunset *all P2PK UTXOs at a defined block height.* Give Satoshi and anyone else, say, 3-5 years to move them. If they haven’t moved to quantum resilient addresses by then, they are assumed to have been lost or forfeited by their owners. Nothing wrong with sunsetting old network components that present vulnerabilities. This gets rid of the “confiscation” language. It’s a technical bug fix/security upgrade.

@mike98572986 Yea I hear you but I feel great about the 3 year data and look where that got us. “It’s a failed drug” haha Markary and his OC housewife lips need to be removed from the building.

@ddums81 Yep, 4 year is extremely important, I feel good about the 4 year data, you aren’t going to have Sung, Tabrizi and Wild running around talking it up if they aren’t seeing what they need to know.

$qure $clpt “The FDA and uniQure, along with Huntington’s disease organizations, are in active dialogue regarding how to interpret AMT-130’s data, Margolin added.” It’s a very interesting article, fda in public is now saying that HD technically can work for the plausible mechanism, it’s a big story.

@JMaraganore @RNAiAnalyst FDA doesn’t want to do Adcomms on these drugs they have blacklisted because then they will get exposed.

I haven’t dug into the specifics of the RP1/Replimmune data in melanoma, but isn’t this an example of where a good old-fashioned Adcomm could help vet the data and overall risk-benefit? wsj.com/opinion/replim…

@Coinosphere @NickSzabo4 @RepMikeTurner Yes I believe they are suicidal. And even if they aren’t they will use it to extort the free world. I think you are arguing that it would be good for the world for Iran to have a nuke. Good luck with that. Keep trucking…

@ddums81 @NickSzabo4 @RepMikeTurner But are they suicidal? When you speak of nuclear proliferation, the only thing that matters is who is willing to DIE in order to kill the other guy. That's it. Game theory is the whole conversation, and you left it out entirely. Narrator: "They are not."

I have an idea of how you can help companies, maybe go on national TV and tell the world it’s a “failed drug” before the Type A meeting minutes are released and even though it isn’t a failed drug and the truth will come out especialy after the 4 year data comes out. The truth will come out on AMT 130 no matter how hard you try to kill it beforehand. We know it’s on your blacklist but you can’t lie and withhold the truth forever. It has its way of finding the light and you will look foolish when it does

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