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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (KJV)

Makes ya think 🤔 Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

@elonmusk What is truth as someone once said. Grok is a bit disappointing as regards truth: This series explores the actual reasoning Grok applies and fails in. youtu.be/fHDSp6SAowU?si…

Grok is maximally truthful

@realDrTT This may help you 🙏

Okay, so here's the thing. If you're going to say that LDS worships a different Jesus, then you're going to have to explain how there were two Jesus' born in Bethlehem, ministered with the same exact words, were both crucified and died, were both raised from the dead. That, or you have to admit, that we have a different understanding of the same person.

@Metadrene Ah the tension is real. But with faith and a little logic the answer presents itself.

Jesus said the Father is the only true God (John 17:3). After his resurrection, Jesus still called the Father my God (John 20:17). Paul wrote there is one God, the Father (1 Cor. 8:6). Those are explicit statements.

@YahwehGraced Visual representation of repentance without Jesus

Visual representation of repentance without Torah

@YahwehGraced But wait here a little bit more

@marcnich Yes, Two YAHWEH theology, not trinity not modalism

Trinitarians do not understand how fragile their framework is If any one of the co equal, co eternal, co substantial is challenged, it quickly devolves into tritheism or modalism They want all the benefits of the framework without being held accountable to its implications And here’s the reality, nobody actually believes in the Trinity. They only think they do, but they don’t. Press them on any one of the three co attributes and they will land in tritheism or modalism every single time. The Trinity exists only on paper. What people actually hold in their heads is one of its two condemned heresies.

@joshnaa2gez Here’s 2 thirds of the Trinity talking about the third. I know reading and believing what you read is hard but do try.

Everyone knows the Trinity is a cope. It’s an attempt to remain monotheistic while claiming three beings to be divine. Actual monotheists- i.e. Muslims- do not see Christians as truly monotheistic. But, that is why Christianity is better. Islam became far too extreme and rigid in its monotheism.

@Primary_Pianist But you left out the bit where your ‘Jesus’ is not the one and only God, beside whom there is no other, no not one. Your tactics are very subtil …

Mormon: What do I need to be saved? Evangelical: Do you believe in Jesus? Mormon: Yes. Evangelical: The Jesus of the Bible? Mormon: Yes. Evangelical: That Jesus is the Son of God? Mormon: Yes. Evangelical: That He died for your sins? Mormon: Yes. Evangelical: That He rose from the dead? Mormon: Yes. Evangelical: That He’s the only way to salvation? Mormon: Yes. Evangelical: Then why don’t you believe in Jesus? Mormon: …I just said I do. Evangelical: No, not that Jesus. Mormon: Which Jesus? Evangelical: The Biblical Jesus. Mormon: The one who is the Son of God, died for sins, rose from the dead, and is the only way to salvation? Evangelical: Yes. Mormon: That’s the one I believe in. Evangelical: No, you believe in a different Jesus. Mormon: How is He different? Evangelical: Because you don’t believe in the right Jesus. Mormon: Which Jesus is the right Jesus? Evangelical: The Biblical Jesus. Mormon: … Evangelical: … Mormon: We’ve been standing in this same circle for three hours, haven’t we? Evangelical: That’s exactly what someone who doesn’t believe in the Biblical Jesus would say.

@joshnaa2gez Er Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Go read the Gospels and then tell me honestly how you think Jesus would react to all of the people trying to gate-keep who is truly Christian.

@YahwehGraced I believe the Bible. Here’s a complimentary verse: John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

@marcnich This is a challenging verse for trinitarians, while actual modalists love this verse Are you a modalist?

This is from the LDS website. Its a video for children explaining how Joseph smith "translated" the gold plates. They actually have him looking at the gold plates while wearing his magic spectacles. Yeah that's not the way it happened. I'm going to link the web page that the video is on but notice what the LDS church teaches children about how Joseph translated the golden plates. Now look what his wife emma said about how he translated the golden plates. Yeah it's not deception or anything...... Here's the video: churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/d…

@joshnaa2gez Romans 3:12 (KJV) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

If you think Mormons are good people but are going to hell, then you believe in a god who sends good people to hell for simple ignorance. Reevaluate your assumptions about God.

@DrewPavlou The “of Australia “ part is obviously a lie

Non-Australians, PLEASE READ THIS: This genuinely could be the worst ever woke/progressive legal decision in the history of the entire Western world. The High Court of Australia just ruled that the Australian government may be forced to pay tens of millions of dollars to foreign CONVICTED rapists, pedophiles and murderers. How on Earth did this happen? The High Court of Australia ruled that foreign non-citizens convicted of crimes like rape, murder and pedophilia in Australia can sue the Australian government for millions of dollars in compensation for subjecting them to ''false imprisonment'' in immigration detention. The lead plaintiff in this particular case was Safwat Abdel-Hady, a Gaza-born businesman with an Austrian passport initially convicted for spiking drinks with intent to commit an act of indecency, which, on retrial, become a conviction on a lesser charge - he pleaded guilty to using poison to endanger life or inflict grievous bodily harm. Mr Abdel-Hady mixed a woman a strong cocktail containing the sleeping pill Stilnox. The woman told courts she awoke to find Mr Abdel-Hady assaulting her as her partner slept in another room. After leaving his home her and her partner went to hospital and blood tests showed the couple had traces of Stilnox, cocaine and very high readings of alcohol. Former Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke attended Abdel-Hady's appeal and wrote a character reference saying he had often entertained him at his home. They were reportedly long standing friends and business partners. He was subsequently convicted of multiple assaults and subjected to an apprehended violence order. Courts found that he could not be deported to Austria following the legal decision because his blood clotting condition rendered him medically unfit to travel by any commercial aeroplane, meaning there was no reasonable prospect of his removal. The High Court of Australia has now ruled that Safwat Abdel-Hady can sue the Australian government for false imprisonment for keeping him in immigration detention awaiting deportation, a decision which opens the door to tens of millions of dollars in compensation claims arising from the ''NZYQ Cohort'' of convicted criminals who were in turn kept in immigration detention while awaiting deportation. The High Court of Australia ruled in the ''NZYQ Case'' that foreign non-citizens convicted of crimes like rape, murder and pedophilia could not be held in indefinite immigration detention while awaiting deportation because the indefinite detention violated the Australian Constitution in the sense that it was ''punitive'' and ''beyond legislative power.'' As non-citizens, they were slated for deportation at the end of their prison terms but could not be deported due to a mixture of fake asylum claims, medical conditions which apparently precluded deportation, the prospect they could face the death penalty in their home countries, and so on. So the Australian government kept them in indefinite immigration detention for community safety. The High Court of Australia ruled in NZYQ v Minister for Immigration that these people could not be held in immigration detention where there’s no real prospect of deportation due to fake asylum claims, medical conditions which apparently preclude deportation, the prospect they could face the death penalty in their home countries, and so on. So they were all released. Here’s a breakdown of their convictions prior to their release onto the streets of Australia: - Murder or attempted murder: 7 - Sexual offending (incl. child sex offences): 37 - Assault/violent offending, kidnapping, armed robbery: 72 - Domestic violence & stalking: 16 - Serious drug offending: 13 Within weeks of the release, multiple members of the NZYQ cohort reoffended with new rape offences. In all, 104 of the 300 released men ultimately reoffended - 21 breaching visa conditions plus committing an offence, 83 charged with state or territory criminal offences, including the alleged bashing and robbery of 73-year-old cancer ridden Perth grandmother Ninette Simons. One former detainee, a Sudanese born man named Masi Ayiik, was shot by Victorian police after allegedly running at them with a metal pole in Melbourne's southeast. He was in the community on five counts of bail and had allegedly breached visa conditions twice, having originally faced deportation for serious criminal offences. The Human Rights Law Centre (HRLC) and major corporate law firm Allens did pro bono legal work to free these foreign child sex offenders, rapists and murderers and put them back on our streets to committ new heinous criminal offences. What noble work. What a beautiful use of their limited valuable time. A High Court judgment summary ultimately confirmed that the lead plaintiff in the NZYQ case (a stateless Rohingya refugee) had a child sexual offence conviction; the court held his ongoing detention was unconstitutional because removal wasn’t reasonably foreseeable given the prospect that he would be persecuted as a Rohingya in Myanmar. That ruling prompted the wider releases. Other cases involved rape, sexual assault of a 12-year-old, assault of an eight-month-old, drug smuggling. Now the High Court has ruled that the NZYQ cohort rapists, pedophiles and murderers who were kept in immigration detention while awaiting deportation can sue the Australian government for false imprisonment, potentially leading to claims running into the tens of millions of dollars. So the timeline here is the following: 1. Rohingya refugee convicted of child sex crimes argues that he cannot be deported to Myanmar because he faces persecution. 2. Australian government decide to keep him in indefinite immigration detention due to fears for community safety. 3. Progressive law firms champion the cause of this convicted foreign pedophile and argue for his release. 4. High Court rules that he must be released from indefinite immigration detention alongside hundreds of other hardened violent foreign criminals. 5. 300 violent foreign criminals are released, almost 100 of them immediately reoffend with violent crimes such as rape and the bashing of a 73 year old grandmother with cancer. 6. Seperately, a Gaza born foreigner is convicted of using poison to endanger life or inflict grievous bodily harm. A woman testifies that she woke up to him attempting to rape her after being drugged. 7. Former Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke attends his appeal and writes a character reference for him. 8. Courts rule he cannot be deported due to blood clots preventing him using commercial planes. Government keeps him in immigration detention for community safety. 9. He sues for false imprisonment, opening the door to hundreds of hardened foreign violent rapists, pedophiles and murderers suing the Australian governmrent for false imprisonment. 10. The Australian government now must use our taxpayer money to pay tens of millions of dollars to foreign convicted rapists, pedophiles and murderers. It's just incredible. You could not make this up. Also, in researching this post I discovered a case where a Vietnamese drug trafficker (DBD24 in High Court files) who was released from immigration detention on a protection visa because he argued that he faced the death penalty in Vietnam for trafficking. Lol. Lmao. We are literally the dumping ground of the world.

@austinknight @MormonNational Don’t forget Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It's overtly Trinitarian. See these references that speak of the single God man was created in the image of: "This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God." - Gen 5:1 "“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image" - Gen 9:6 "For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man." - 1 Cor 11:7 "and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness." - Eph 4:24 "and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator." - Col 3:10, "With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God." - James 3:9

Imagine believing in the trinity after reading the first chapter of the bible God and at least one other diety created man Man was made in their image. So god and another diety (Jesus) looked similar and made us after their own image

@TeeplesCY But let's focus on what really counts yeah, because all this will pass away, all vanity sayeth the preacher... John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Everyone wants to “explain” Mormon beliefs. But nobody wants to “explain” these Mormon outcomes:

@LostMyHats In Arabic it is called Taqiyya. And we know who the father of lies is...

You might notice that Mormons lie a lot about their beliefs and their organization. It's pathological. And I mean, bald-faced, stare you in the eye, lying. For example, in recent days on X, you might have seen Mormons swear up and down that they are not polytheists - and denouncing anyone as a "liar" for alleging it - when, with their fingers crossed behind their backs, what they mean that they've redefined "polytheism" to require the *worship* of two gods at once, a definition no one else holds in the world (but they don't tell you that up front). What you might not know is that you didn't just happen to run across an anomaly of a lying Mormon. It's a part of the religion. It even has a name. "Lying for the Lord" is a named, recognized concept within Mormon studies, ex-Mormon scholarship, and even some internal Mormon academic circles. The most substantial treatment of it as a named phenomenon comes from Mormon historian Richard Packham, who documented it extensively, and from Grant Palmer's work, particularly his book "An Insider's View of Mormon Origins." The phrase circulates widely enough in Mormon critical scholarship that it has its widely understood, specifically the pattern of Church leaders, missionaries, and members making demonstrably false or misleading public statements to protect the institution. For example, Gordon B. Hinckley, the Church's president from 1995 to 2008, demonstrated this live on national television when Larry King asked him whether Mormons believe they can become gods, and Hinckley replied, "I don't know that we teach that." Obviously, the Doctrine of Eternal Progression is one of the most essential Mormon doctrines, and it's like a Christian denying they teaching Justification By Faith. The interview was ridiculed by almost everyone, including Mormons who were upset their president lied on national TV. It's just a Mormon tradition. Joseph Smith publicly denials practicing polygamy while actively practicing it. He denied it in print in 1835 in the Messenger and Advocate, denied it publicly multiple times thereafter, and was simultaneously taking plural wives, some of them other men's wives. Brigham Young denied the Danites existed, his Mormon assassination and execution squad. And now, you'll find Mormons on X promising you that the Church banning black people from full admission until the Carter Administration is "an untrue rumor." They 100% know better. Lying is allowed in Mormonism. When lying to prospective converts about what Mormonism teaches, the concept of "milk before meat" - a phrase drawn from 1 Corinthians but repurposed in LDS practice to mean that full doctrinal disclosure is inappropriate for outsiders or "new investigators," and that presenting a simplified or sanitized version of Mormon theology is not deception but pastoral wisdom. The more structural grounding comes from Doctrine and Covenants 123:15, which instructs members to be "wise" in dealing with enemies of the Church. Combined with the temple oath of consecration, in which members covenant to give everything including their lives to the building up of the Kingdom, the institutional logic produces a community where protecting the Church's public image is treated as a sacred obligation that can override ordinary truth-telling. There is also the "inspired fiction" concept around Joseph Smith's own history. Smith dictated multiple conflicting accounts of the First Vision, and the Church suppressed the earlier accounts for over a century. When the earlier accounts surfaced publicly in the 1960s and 70s through research, the institutional response was not correction but damage control, including the firing and later excommunication of historians like D. Michael Quinn who documented the discrepancies accurately. The Islamic parallel to "Lying for the Lord" is called taqiyya, the Shia doctrine permitting deception to protect the faith community, with a softer Sunni cousin called kitman, which is concealment by omission rather than outright falsehood. The Rabbinic parallel is the shev v'al ta'aseh principle and various Talmudic permissions around eilu v'eilu that allow dishonesty if the cause is good enough. Mormonism's version is less formally codified than taqiyya but more institutionally practiced than either. The difference is that the LDS Church is a modern organization with press offices, PR firms, and legal departments, so its deception tends to arrive in the form of carefully worded non-answers, strategic omissions, and rebranding operations rather than a named doctrinal permission. The effect is the same. The paper trail is more deniable. You can find out more in the latest I2I Intel Drop, complete with 20+ footnotes of citations and links to primary sources on how this doctrine is lived out in the life and teachings of the LDS.

California pediatrician shares his professional experience of the risks and benefits of vaccinating and not vaccinating children. (00:00) Introduction to Dr. Bob Sears (03:38) Outcomes of Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Children in His 30,000+ Practice (09:12) The Irony of Vaccination and Chronic Illness (15:40) A Child on the CDC Schedule: 1986 vs. Today (20:05) Vaccines Design to Modify the Immune System (34:26) Understanding Vaccine Efficacy and Transmission (48:22) Pediatric Experiences: Unvaccinated Patients and Disease Outcomes (1:00:06) Health Benefits of Natural Infections (1:10:43) The Impact of Vaccination on Herd Immunity (1:12:28) Revising Vaccine Schedules: A Shift in Perspective (1:18:28) Pediatric Experience with Unvaccinated Families (1:22:40) The Shift in Parental Attitudes Towards Vaccination (1:30:09) Infectious Disease Research and Real Data (1:36:22) The Vaccination Shift and Parental Choices @DrBobSears

@MikeWingerii Plus it has the Greek that goes with the KJV, something YouVersion and others I don’t think do.

@MikeWingerii Blue Letter Bible is my go to

What do you suggest for a simple replacement for the YouVersion Bible app on IPhone? One that doesn’t host fraudulent translations.