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Fang Heiwa@FangHeiwa·1d

@Metal_Gargoyle @names_hate_me @konamirugu That was not her call if she did do it without permission. We don’t have a lot of info about that, but if that’s the case, it puts Numi in an awkward position. Which begs the question: she Numi really misremember or did she lie to cover her friends’ asses? Just food for thought.

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Mirug@konamirugu·1d

Here is a timeline of Numi's Jan-Feb concert timeline in LA and NYC and how it overlaps with Shylily's VCard's release. As you can see, Sinder did not lie nor betray Numi. She made an honest mistake 5 days before the concert, but somehow pulled through and met her obligations.

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·1d

@FangHeiwa @konamirugu That entire group doesn't look like they confront anything tbh. They probably just gossiped about it and let bad feelings fester. The only reason it was brought up was because Numi was apparently devastated about it which she didn't communicate to Sinder at all in the first place

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Fang Heiwa@FangHeiwa·1d

@names_hate_me @konamirugu I just doesn’t make sense to mention it then. Okay, the concert was on Feb 1 so this gives about a three month gap (rounding up) between the actual concert and the drama. If Lily knew about this beforehand, then why didn’t she confront Sinder within the three months? 1/2

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·1d

@FangHeiwa @konamirugu It's was actually Lily who's not really reliable and could only really get this information from Numi herself. Besides her I think only Bao mentioned it otherwise besides Numi. Honestly the entire thing was Sus anyways because they changed what they were mad who the concert.

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Fang Heiwa@FangHeiwa·1d

@konamirugu I’m just curious (and my phones refuses to open the Google Docs for whatever reason): when the initial drama was happening, who mentioned the concert first?

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·3 Haz

It's because if you pay attention and read the lore around Fontaine Focalors in her entirety is a plot hole. It doesn't feel like the lore writers and aq writers were in tune with each other.

I think Furina is long overdue for a second story quest tbh, I think out of all the current archons she feels the most detached from her nation’s worldbuilding that its kinda jarring in comparison 😭 let us in on more of her past as Focalors before the split hoyo cmonnn

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·1 Haz

@takasiraVT Pretty sure the problem was that that entire circle couldn't separate business from friendship. They kept mixing it up and that'll always cause situations to blow up like this. Honestly they don't seem like smart people in general and might cause a situation like this again.

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Takasira || 🖤⚪️@takasiraVT·1 Haz

Its been a year since sinder was unfairly slandered by her “friends”. never forget and be careful on who you associate with in this space vtubers

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·22 May

@CurveBallGT It mainly changed because the whole community got blacklisted sometime after the drama which was made worst when certain vtubers was talking about saving the community and being a safe space which they went back on. Not to mention the whole fanbases war drama afterwards.

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CurveBall 👁️‍🗨️@CurveBallGT·22 May

I don't view Nano, Shylily, or otherwise is "evil mean girls" trying to ruin someone's career. It just bothers me that the community identity of the Pyro Pups changed from the wholesome, supportive image they used to have to the resentful, scarred echo chamber it is now. 7/8

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The Pyro Pup Center 🔥@PyroPupCenter

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CurveBall 👁️‍🗨️@CurveBallGT·22 May

As a former Pyro Pup, now more casual viewer, it makes me really happy to see that Sinder's social life didn't get completely ruined. I genuinely think she was just the victim of being young, successful, and way too goal orientated, so I'm glad she's able to heal so quickly. 1/8

Vienna appeared on Sinder's stream

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·18 Nis

@Kane_5030 @opticaldisks I wouldn't think too hard about this tbh. Furina's story is 😭 griping but they completely failed the logical aspect of it. The whole expectation of what an Archon should be doesn't really work when they had a previous Archon to go off of who mysterious is barely mentioned.

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wakeupnaturaly@Kane_5030·14 Nis

@opticaldisks I think thats part of reason furina didnt click for me. like i get the play god for 500 yrs thing. But what exactly is the hardship? Does she have to do something only archon can do but with magic trick instead just so she can hide her identity?

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aj 🐜@opticaldisks·13 Nis

For a game that takes intricate worldbuilding so seriously, especially when it comes to gods, Genshin sure seems to lack a lot of detail on what archon worship practically looks like in each nation. An illusion of detail is there, but several nations really tell us almost nothing

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·16 Nis

@vaelkrin @ZillaVader @ShylilyVirus @PyroPupCenter You're one of the saner ones then but the problem still remains that they involved their communities in their private drama making it everyone's business instead of settling things privately. There was a ridiculous amount of harassment fambases received because of the drama.

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VaelkrinVT@vaelkrin·16 Nis

You aren't wrong but its not like shylily or sinder wanted things to be made public like this. Nanoless, whom I also watch was the person that technically made things public first. But i dont have an opinion of who was right or wrong. I wasn't in the vtuber community when all of it went down. Now I have watched videos of the situation of what I can find to at least be informed, but ultimately I wasn't there when things happened nor was I involved so I really shouldn't have an opinion on something that doesnt concern me. Now I think we can all agree what happened hurt a lot of people and changed relationships. But at the end of the day, everyone who was involved has moved on. No one wants to be constantly reminded of bad events that happened whether they instigated it or were the victim. Its been a year just about so just rehashing old news pointing fingers was mainly my point

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Comrade Del ☢️🥃 Gasmask Mothman@Comrade_Del

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VaderZilla@ZillaVader·15 Nis

Well Shylily’s plan failed cause Sinder is still thriving and has a new Gal Squad. I honestly prefer Sinder playing with these 3

Lily actually DID say that she had even more "Career ending" evidence to back up her claims but never actually got around to showing any of that... so I'm calling BS on those claims xD Considering her goal was to remove Sinder, there was no way she'd hold back if she legit had something career ending. She's not that kind of person.

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·16 Nis

@vaelkrin @ZillaVader @ShylilyVirus @PyroPupCenter That's assuming people can't do what they want themselves. Saying don't attack people in my name only does so much. Then again that's what happens when you make private matters public.

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VaelkrinVT@vaelkrin·16 Nis

@ShylilyVirus & @PyroPupCenter was it not stated publicly that both Sinder and Shylily do not want the other attacked? Especially in their name? To my knowledge Lily hasn't mentioned Sinder in quite some time and same for Sinder about Lily. This post is just to continue the hatred of a situation where the people INVOLVED want nothing to do with anymore. Everyone has moved on with their lives and are thriving in their own way, it was a year ago.

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·13 Nis

@StandsOf @Muj_in @Hemomal They probably didn't considering they forgot to not doxx her name by accident,etc.

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That Grumpy Old Guy PNGTuber@StandsOf·13 Nis

About the Sykkuno drama that isn't being talked about, I am wonder if @muj_in or @Hemomal asked Syknnuo's girlfriend if she was okay with them PUBLICLY HUMILATING her with the doc/video? My thought is they're far more concern about clout, gaining followers, and views than worry about causing more emotional trauma to Skynnuno's girlfriend. If either say yes they did, they better have proof of it.

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·10 Nis

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·10 Nis

Yeah sure you were 17-18 when that happened. You're not particularly smart are you?

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·24 Mar

@Pomboganda She's just a controversial person right now because of stupid drama that could've been solved in a 1hr discord called. Honestly embarrassing for the entire indie vtubing community.

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Pombon Propaganda 🔥🐶@Pomboganda·24 Mar

Okay so I'm confused. Do you guys like her or not? I'm getting very mixed replies here

You guys remember how I said I don't fw EN V-Tubers that much? Yeah Sinder is the exception I love her

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·23 Mar

@OthavioDiass @PyroPupCenter Sorry but the truth is that it's probably not even pyro Pups harassing other vtubers. Sounds like copium. The actual reason is that entire group created an entire hatedom because they decided to dip into drama over something stupid. Now they'll be scrutinized for everything now.

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Othvaio Dias@OthavioDiass·23 Mar

@PyroPupCenter This is like, the second or third warning post that you guys made because PPs were harassing other Vtubers... I think that it's time to acknowledge that this community is toxic, and will keep being toxic until Sinder herself says something, and she doesn't seem to really care

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The Pyro Pup Center 🔥@PyroPupCenter·22 Mar

🚨🔥 Important Announcement Pyro Pups, It has come to my attention that some people have been attacking other creators, like Shylily and Nanoless, in Sinder’s name. Sinder herself has made her stance very clear in the past: she does not tolerate harassment or attacking others on her behalf. And she said it clearly: those who do that are not Pyro Pups. The Pyro Patrol on her Discord server has made it crystal clear with their rules: if you harm others in Sinder's name, you will be permabanned from the server with no chance to appeal. That being said, I understand that emotions can run high sometimes. But I have to ask you to stop. You are not doing any good to anyone by doing that Not to Sinder Not to the Pyro Pups And not even to yourself. If something upsets you so much that you can't take it, take a step back. Block, mute, or log off if needed, but don’t turn that frustration into harm. Because I can assure you that if you continue to walk down this path, there will be no one waiting for you at the finish line. I know many of you, the Pyro Pups that follow this page. I know that your heart is in the right place, even if sometimes you let your emotions get the best of you. But because this has happened multiple times, I need to set a clear boundary: If I see any Pyro Pup that follows this page attacking any VTuber, fandom, or content creator in Sinder's name, you will be blocked instantly. We have to be better than this, and I know you can be. Leave the past where it belongs and keep moving forward. — Pyro Pup Center (PPC)

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·23 Mar

@Comrade_Del It's kinda crazy people think holding accountability for by far the dumbest drama in 2025 is harassment. The worst part are how the fanbases treat each other because now imagine how awkward irl cons are for the fanbases? It's like the drama starters didn't think this through.

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The Pyro Pup Center 🔥@PyroPupCenter

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Comrade Del ☢️🥃 Gasmask Mothman@Comrade_Del·23 Mar

I have only one thing to say to this... is that this isn't the way. It's rather cultish with how everyone must belong to two sides. Nah mate, people can have their own opinions. If I have something bad to say about the girls, I say it because of my own formed opinion, not because I must do so for Sinder. Most people do it for themselves. There's no reason to run defense for people who aren't even associated with your side. Look, I get wanting to be the better person, do as Sinder requested and just move on... but being a doormat is also not really the solution. In most cases, when you turn the other cheek, they'll just slap it too. Even now when the topic is brought up you see people coming in calling Sinder a whore, bitch or whatever other names they can come up with and often include namecalling for the PyroPups too. It's like people forgot that just a year ago being a fan of Sinder got you some death threats from some crazy orca fans. There was no apology and no responsibility or any statement made about that by anyone. I genuinely don't see the reason why such announcements must be made at all.

🚨🔥 Important Announcement Pyro Pups, It has come to my attention that some people have been attacking other creators, like Shylily and Nanoless, in Sinder’s name. Sinder herself has made her stance very clear in the past: she does not tolerate harassment or attacking others on her behalf. And she said it clearly: those who do that are not Pyro Pups. The Pyro Patrol on her Discord server has made it crystal clear with their rules: if you harm others in Sinder's name, you will be permabanned from the server with no chance to appeal. That being said, I understand that emotions can run high sometimes. But I have to ask you to stop. You are not doing any good to anyone by doing that Not to Sinder Not to the Pyro Pups And not even to yourself. If something upsets you so much that you can't take it, take a step back. Block, mute, or log off if needed, but don’t turn that frustration into harm. Because I can assure you that if you continue to walk down this path, there will be no one waiting for you at the finish line. I know many of you, the Pyro Pups that follow this page. I know that your heart is in the right place, even if sometimes you let your emotions get the best of you. But because this has happened multiple times, I need to set a clear boundary: If I see any Pyro Pup that follows this page attacking any VTuber, fandom, or content creator in Sinder's name, you will be blocked instantly. We have to be better than this, and I know you can be. Leave the past where it belongs and keep moving forward. — Pyro Pup Center (PPC)

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·23 Mar

Are people really this shocked harassment is happening? Nanoless already had that dumbass drama with Kevin she barely got away with and now the previous drama was basically her getting off scot free while making everyone looking like complete dumbasses. She's practically the embodiment of of what people complain about in vtuber artists all the time.

✦ Nanoless - Working on Customizable Model@Nanoless_

Had the huge honor to work on Shylily's Succubus design and model art! ❤️

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·2 Oca

@furinacunt Tbh this isn't a good thing. Fontaine is already warping there lore around Furina's existence. Outside of that the script of Fontaine felt unnatural. There were moments with Focalors Neuvillette and Wrio where it felt like they knew the script instead of acting naturally.

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vera. 🇧🇷🇪🇸🇲🇽🇨🇴@furinacunt·1 Oca

fontaines story gets brutally hard carried by furina and it wouldn’t get all the praise it gets if it wasn’t for her most people can’t even tell you why furina is well written outside of “her suffering” because yall are sheep who can’t form opinions of ur own

Duk@duktv_

I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR HOTTEST GENSHIN TAKES. don't just give a simple "this character is mid". i want you to GO IN. i'll be judging the hottest ones live tomorrow.

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·1 Oca

@koshitantankohi @Ra2byou Better example is the end of Act 2 where when Furina is questioned about the Oratrice En is expressing a completely different emotion than what's shown on screen.

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Kohi needs coffee@koshitantankohi·1 Oca

@Ra2byou Yea EN tends to overdo emotions and often inappropriately (like giving Sunday the angy villain vibe just to give the whole fanbase whiplash in 2.7), but Furina's scene there is a bad example because she was stage acting and playing up her archonyness.

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Raibyō 🇲🇲@Ra2byou·31 Ara

Shit like this is why I can never take EN dub fans seriously. They are the only group of people who will unironically say the localization is fixing the original. "They put more emotion", yeah, where they shouldn't.

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this is so fucking stupid and this is the primary example of it. yall fucking kiss jp voice actors ass all the time. if EN furina adapted jp horseshit of a delivery then we be eating POO but she didnt. yall pmo

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·17 Ara

@darklordhydra1 @MysteriousXlll @wiccanistVT @zvancam91 @realsupercobble @Rev_says_desu @Evanit0 Gonna have to reread then cause I must've forgot it.

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Hydra@darklordhydra1·17 Ara

@names_hate_me @MysteriousXlll @wiccanistVT @zvancam91 @realsupercobble @Rev_says_desu @Evanit0 If you read sinders doc she clearly states it in her breakdown of shylilys response

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Evanit0@Evanit0·9 Ara

I've spent 5yrs promoting VTubers as these wonderful people I've come to know to normies on the internet, only for random VTubers to say the dumbest things I've heard in my life and ruin all that progress in one tweet.

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I Hate Names@names_hate_me·17 Ara

@darklordhydra1 @MysteriousXlll @wiccanistVT @zvancam91 @realsupercobble @Rev_says_desu @Evanit0 Do we have actually evidence for this? That's quite interesting.

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Hydra@darklordhydra1·17 Ara

@MysteriousXlll @wiccanistVT @zvancam91 @realsupercobble @Rev_says_desu @Evanit0 Yea they never brought her out. Only thing that really hit the company hard is when Sinder voluntarily sold her shares to take responsibility and stated shylily had nothing to do with it.

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