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เข้าร่วม Nisan 2019
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KLS Dennis
KLS Dennis@sheekcrit·
I’ve always been unsure about Letby. Did the evidence fit the narrative, or vice versa? Was it convenient closure for the NHS? Was the unsubmitted evidence a cover up? Thank goodness we no longer have a death penalty. If she’s innocent, however, her treatment is worse than that.
The Trials of Lucy Letby@LucyLetbyTrials

Stunning news! The CCRC took an unprecedented step last year, when it referred this case to the Court of Appeal *without* offering fresh evidence. I'm left wondering what impact, if any, this could have on cases such as Lucy Letby's. bbc.co.uk/news/articles/…

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Mervyn
Mervyn@mervynpervyn·
🧵2/2 the only reason she is in prison is because Ravi Jayaram and Stephen Brearey were predictably bad losers and were too sour to attend mediation. They were potentially going to be reported to the GMC, subject to a bullying and harassment grievance, and "actioned out"
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Robert Goudie
Robert Goudie@rob_goudie·
So - who said what, and when - to the best of my knowledge, and subject to correction: ▪ 17 February 2016: Baby K incident. ▪ 3–4 May 2017: the email chain in question, with Dr Jayaram’s reply sent on 4 May 2017 at 13:23. ▪ 18 September 2017: an Inquiry opening transcript refers to Dr Jayaram’s police statement of that date about the 17 February 2016 event. ▪ 17 April 2018: In a witness statement of this date, Dr Jayaram wrote that Letby had not called him in. This statement was reported in Private Eye (issue 1647, 18 April 2025). The Thirlwall Inquiry (opening transcript) also refers to a police statement dated 17 April 2018. ▪ 10 October 2022: the first trial jury were sworn. ▪ End November 2023 / December 2023 / January 2024: one possible route by which Trust-held material reached the Thirlwall Inquiry; the Trust says material received from Facere Melius at the end of November 2023 was reviewed and disclosed to the Inquiry on various dates in December 2023 and January 2024. ▪ 11 March 2024: the exhibits to the Trust’s three corporate Rule 9 statements were provided to the Inquiry. ▪ 15, 18 and 19 March 2024: further documentation was provided in response to an Inquiry request of 12 March 2024. ▪ 22 March 2024: consultants’ group-chat material for the relevant period was provided to the Inquiry. ▪ 3 May 2024: in a second possible pre-retrial route, the Trust says remaining relevant Trust documents processed from the Epiq/Facere Melius material were provided to the Inquiry on that date. ▪ 10 June 2024: Baby K retrial begins. ▪ 19 June 2024: Dr Jayaram gives evidence at the retrial. ▪ 24 October 2024: the Court of Appeal application judgment says there was "an inconsistency between his evidence and the contemporaneous record." ▪ 13 November 2024: Dr Jayaram appears before the Thirlwall Inquiry. So when did awareness of Dr Jayaram's email of 4 May 2017 become operative in practice? The Trust’s disclosure chronology suggests a possibility material of this kind was already within the Inquiry’s hands before Letby’s second trial began on 10 June 2024. Granted, the public record does not prove that this specific email had been identified and read by then. But the Court of Appeal’s later reference to an inconsistency with contemporaneous records is at least suggestive that either this or an issue of similar importance had gained visibility at some level and was now worthy of judicial comment. If so, one would have expected a measure of elevated scrutiny of the underlying documents before Dr Jayaram’s appearance before the Inquiry on 13 November 2024. At the very least, this appears capable of being argued as constituting fresh evidence – warranting renewed scrutiny in a case where Dr Jayaram's testimony played such a pivotal role. The Court of Appeal has already flagged an inconsistency with the contemporaneous record: that fact, combined with the potential pre-retrial availability of this material, supplies the CCRC with the sort of properly arguable point of the unsafety it exists to examine – warranting referral and thus renewed judicial scrutiny of the entire case. The bottom line - if the email Dr Jayaram sent to many of his colleagues in May 2017 is, in fact, an accurate rendering of what happened in respect of Baby K, a jury convicted on the basis of its opposite. #LucyLetby  ▪
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Cheryl
Cheryl@ericedna·
I would argue that an expert panel of 30 clinicians refuting the murder charges, evidence of perjury from Jayaram, evidence of a liver injury likely caused by Breary & the main prosecution witness being a narcissist nutter are exceptional circumstances
The Trials of Lucy Letby@LucyLetbyTrials

Stunning news! The CCRC took an unprecedented step last year, when it referred this case to the Court of Appeal *without* offering fresh evidence. I'm left wondering what impact, if any, this could have on cases such as Lucy Letby's. bbc.co.uk/news/articles/…

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The Trials of Lucy Letby
The Trials of Lucy Letby@LucyLetbyTrials·
"THE FRAMING OF LUCY LETBY" The @JusticeGap's latest issue of PROOF – "Cover-ups, jailhouse snitches & scapegoats" – dedicates a section to the nurse's case, featuring contributions from Mark McDonald, Stephen Phelps, Richard Gill & Dr Svilena Dimitrova. thejusticegap.com/cover-ups-jail…
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Guy Rowland
Guy Rowland@guyrowlanduk·
Understandably, much has been made of the inconsistency between what Dr Ravi Jayram told the court (and ITV News) about Lucy Letby and Baby K, and what he told his colleagues in an email. This helpful post outlines a detailed chronology of who knew what, and when.
Robert Goudie@rob_goudie

So - who said what, and when - to the best of my knowledge, and subject to correction: ▪ 17 February 2016: Baby K incident. ▪ 3–4 May 2017: the email chain in question, with Dr Jayaram’s reply sent on 4 May 2017 at 13:23. ▪ 18 September 2017: an Inquiry opening transcript refers to Dr Jayaram’s police statement of that date about the 17 February 2016 event. ▪ 17 April 2018: In a witness statement of this date, Dr Jayaram wrote that Letby had not called him in. This statement was reported in Private Eye (issue 1647, 18 April 2025). The Thirlwall Inquiry (opening transcript) also refers to a police statement dated 17 April 2018. ▪ 10 October 2022: the first trial jury were sworn. ▪ End November 2023 / December 2023 / January 2024: one possible route by which Trust-held material reached the Thirlwall Inquiry; the Trust says material received from Facere Melius at the end of November 2023 was reviewed and disclosed to the Inquiry on various dates in December 2023 and January 2024. ▪ 11 March 2024: the exhibits to the Trust’s three corporate Rule 9 statements were provided to the Inquiry. ▪ 15, 18 and 19 March 2024: further documentation was provided in response to an Inquiry request of 12 March 2024. ▪ 22 March 2024: consultants’ group-chat material for the relevant period was provided to the Inquiry. ▪ 3 May 2024: in a second possible pre-retrial route, the Trust says remaining relevant Trust documents processed from the Epiq/Facere Melius material were provided to the Inquiry on that date. ▪ 10 June 2024: Baby K retrial begins. ▪ 19 June 2024: Dr Jayaram gives evidence at the retrial. ▪ 24 October 2024: the Court of Appeal application judgment says there was "an inconsistency between his evidence and the contemporaneous record." ▪ 13 November 2024: Dr Jayaram appears before the Thirlwall Inquiry. So when did awareness of Dr Jayaram's email of 4 May 2017 become operative in practice? The Trust’s disclosure chronology suggests a possibility material of this kind was already within the Inquiry’s hands before Letby’s second trial began on 10 June 2024. Granted, the public record does not prove that this specific email had been identified and read by then. But the Court of Appeal’s later reference to an inconsistency with contemporaneous records is at least suggestive that either this or an issue of similar importance had gained visibility at some level and was now worthy of judicial comment. If so, one would have expected a measure of elevated scrutiny of the underlying documents before Dr Jayaram’s appearance before the Inquiry on 13 November 2024. At the very least, this appears capable of being argued as constituting fresh evidence – warranting renewed scrutiny in a case where Dr Jayaram's testimony played such a pivotal role. The Court of Appeal has already flagged an inconsistency with the contemporaneous record: that fact, combined with the potential pre-retrial availability of this material, supplies the CCRC with the sort of properly arguable point of the unsafety it exists to examine – warranting referral and thus renewed judicial scrutiny of the entire case. The bottom line - if the email Dr Jayaram sent to many of his colleagues in May 2017 is, in fact, an accurate rendering of what happened in respect of Baby K, a jury convicted on the basis of its opposite. #LucyLetby  ▪

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Guy Rowland
Guy Rowland@guyrowlanduk·
Incredible spot here from @TomEvans80. Today's Benjamin Field Court of Appeal judgement makes explicit - if the CofA has previously struck down an argument, it CAN be revisited. On the face of it, this could affect Lucy Letby and thousands of other appeals. @VeraBaird
Tom Evans@TomEvans80

@LucyLetbyTrials @robilypj They've discovered a rule in precedent that no one seemed to think existed.

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Just One More Thing?
Just One More Thing?@OldLodskins·
@subster121 @Prison_Screw I reckon 4 cards? Evans evidence + other 'experts', 'The Chart' - statistics whether they like it or not, character assassination has backfired, attempts to manipulate the media? Was picking a fight with Davis a good idea? He may be in a cross party committee investigating them
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Ex-Prison Officer
Ex-Prison Officer@Prison_Screw·
The real Lucy Letby problem is the enormity of a whole life sentence. Historically she would have been hung so the judiciary has everything invested in trying to maintain public confidence in a system that appears to fit innocent people up.
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Subster121
Subster121@subster121·
@OldLodskins @Prison_Screw Looks like all they have ended up with is a talker house of cards. That means that the collapse of one element will bring the lot crashing down….
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Just One More Thing?@OldLodskins·
@subster121 @Prison_Screw Cheshire police may have relied on safety in numbers? The more charges they could present against Lucy Letby the higher the probability some would stick? No more Sally Clark's? But Evans chose them? Once groupthink and cognitive dissonance take hold confirmation bias runs rampant
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Barbara williams
Barbara williams@Louisa77591256·
@drphilhammond In light of recent disclosures it's interesting to see how much credibility can be attached to Jayarams' utterances.
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Dr Phil Hammond 💙
Dr Phil Hammond 💙@drphilhammond·
I had a long email exchange with Dr Ravi Jayaram last year, and this was his most important point, which he stressed in bold; "Even if the unit had the worst staff and provided the worst care in the history of neonatology, none of this could explain the events that happened in terms of sudden deterioration and lack of response to appropriate timely interventions." The challenge for Letby's new barrister Mark McDonald is clear. He has to find credible, experienced, currently practising experts who will argue that - after detailed analysis of the records - the deteriorations and failures to respond to interventions are explicable by means other than murder. I'm not sure how many of the cases need to be looked at for the Criminal Cases Review Commission appeal.
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Henry
Henry@Henry99319259·
The whole of the Lucy Letby MoJ can be explained by group-think of the terminally incompetent and hard of thinking. Or maybe that's being too kind?
Ky@kynohy

.@Voice4theDead Dr Jayaram: "none of this could explain the events that happened in terms of sudden deterioration and lack of response to appropriate timely interventions." Dr PH: "...the deteriorations and failures to respond to interventions are explicable by means other than murder..."

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Subster121@subster121·
@J_G_Bollard @hairyairey @JabesAllowed By Invitation only too; wonder if they bought her special coffee mug over from Cheshire Police HQ? 🤣. That relationship between Hull and CP is far too cosy.
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yikes!@J_G_Bollard·
@JabesAllowed She ducked out of the defence closing for the fully catered prosecution press conference
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Jabe
Jabe@JabesAllowed·
The Prosecution took 6 months to present their case. And Liz Hull "probably thought she was guilty" by the end of it. Might explain why some don't seem to have listened very attentively to the Defence case & closing speech. #LucyLetby From ep. 62, September 2023:
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Guy Rowland
Guy Rowland@guyrowlanduk·
@j_wallwork Heart-breaking. I believe Cheshire Police never apologised to her.
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Guy Rowland@guyrowlanduk·
Just when you think it isn’t possible, Cheshire Police manage to make things even worse for themselves over the Lucy Letby case. A short 🧵on a ludicrous claim in a letter to @DavidDavisMP that they themselves leaked to the Daily Mail. archive.is/SJPZE (1/9)
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mark j mayes
mark j mayes@markjurgenmayes·
@LucyLetbyTrials @lizhull 'But it would be better if they spoke to one another rather than doing it through the media.' I could not disagree more. This needs as much public exposure as possible. Not behind-closed-doors meetings. Free Lucy Letby
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The Trials of Lucy Letby
The Trials of Lucy Letby@LucyLetbyTrials·
How unusual for @lizhull to not have authored an article based on remarks made on her own podcast, directly to her and co-host Caroline Cheetham – the latter a journalist who took secret payments from Cheshire police while covering Lucy Letby's trials. dailymail.co.uk/news/crime-des…
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Lizzie
Lizzie@Lizziesaurus·
@xAsamoahx I got married in St Petersburg, Florida in 1990. We had a lovely two weeks there and in Orlando.
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Asa
Asa@xAsamoahx·
florida is a godless place. I went there once, got in the ocean, and immediately had to evacuate because a bull shark was swimming right towards me. there was an alligator on the side of the freeway. meth addicts and men on tractors roam free. florida is america's australia
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jackie barber
jackie barber@jackieb12902590·
@machino_lil She won’t believe it anyway 😂. She’ll just deny the Guardian is a trustworthy source. I do believe Jane Hutton talked about it at length with @CPMorris1234 on his channel a while ago.
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Subster121
Subster121@subster121·
@j_wallwork This needs to happen. Not just tinkering around the edges, it needs demolishing, all the old boy/girl network getting rid of along with the CCRC and start from scratch. Anything that replaces what’s there has to be better than the absolute mess that already exists.
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mark j mayes
mark j mayes@markjurgenmayes·
@DoddsMaz @gill1109 Yes - that's right. They were all very excited. Just like later, when Evans feels excited.
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mark j mayes@markjurgenmayes·
It was 11 DAYS from the Clown Perjurer's email of 4th May, stating Lucy Letby called him in to Baby K, to his meeting with Yogi Wenham & the moron Hughes, on 15th May, where he told them something totally different. It's not a 'memory' issue. It's a LYING issue Free Lucy Letby
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