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Jon Troyer

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Believer. Husband. Dad. Speaker. Lawyer.

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Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
There is no such thing as a non-essential person ! Psalm 139:14 "I will praise Thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are Thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well."
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Courtenay Turner
Courtenay Turner@CourtenayTurner·
American metaphysical break, to a world in which “rights” are administrative conveniences and “law” is an instrument of social engineering. Once you accept that frame, the administrative state and its AI-augmented successors no longer look like abuses; they look like the natural culmination of your premises. That is why the language of “incentive design” and “mechanism design” is not neutral. If the central question becomes, “How do we best manage the risk profile of the unprincipled through clever systems?”, you have already abandoned the older question, “What is man, and what does justice require of us given what he is?” The former yields dashboards and control loops; the latter yields declarations, constitutions, and limits on power. The only winning move is still not to play their game. Reject the board. Defend metaphysical realism: that there is a mind-independent moral and human order, not just models and narratives. Defend the imago Dei: that every person bears a divine stamp that cannot be captured by data or exhausted by behavior. Defend cognitive liberty: the right to interior freedom and uncoerced thought against behavioral nudge-architectures and psychometric profiling. Defend the Founders’ revolutionary abstraction of man — as a rights-bearing, rational, moral agent — over the administrator’s spreadsheet of populations. Because if those things are surrendered, sovereignty does not vanish; it is absorbed. It dissolves into the grid, re-emerging as system behavior, control parameters, and “optimal social outcomes” decided elsewhere. The question, then, is not which set of incentives will best manage the herd. The question is whether we will still insist that man is more than a node in someone else’s machine.
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Courtenay Turner
Courtenay Turner@CourtenayTurner·
🔥 Exactly @Van_Blogodidact — this isn’t a policy disagreement, it’s a vertical metaphysical divide about what a human being is and what law is for. Once you frame it as “horizontal” technocratic optimization, you’ve already stepped off the ground the American experiment was actually standing on. You nailed it: “…your language is thoroughly about systems management.” That’s not a bug, it’s the feature. That mindset isn’t “new with technology”; it’s the pre-revolutionary administrative worldview of Hobbes and King George’s managers, for whom law is a tool to manage populations through risk/reward calculations for the “unprincipled.” In that frame, people are variables in an equation, not bearers of inherent, inviolable dignity. The American Revolution was a metaphysical rupture with exactly that. Rights were held to derive from the nature of Man himself — imago Dei — not from what is convenient for managing the herd. The Founders drew on natural law and Scottish Common Sense Realism: the conviction that there is a real human nature, knowable moral truths, and self-evident rights that law must recognize, not manufacture. Law, in that tradition, answers to a prior moral and metaphysical order; it does not create it. What you’re describing is the rollback of that entire vertical order in favor of a horizontal, managerial one. Once law’s primary job becomes mitigating the calculations of the unprincipled via engineered incentives, you have already conceded the ontological ground. You have accepted that man is something to be modeled and managed, not someone to whom justice is owed. This is exactly what came up yesterday with Monica and Patrick on The Final Betrayal. Wilhelm Wundt, the so‑called “grandfather of psychology,” was a thoroughgoing Hegelian at Leipzig. He explicitly rejected the soul, free will, and any transcendent human essence. In his frame, “man” collapses to a stimulus–response machine: measurable, manipulable, and trainable like Pavlov’s dogs or Skinner’s rats. Once you accept that anthropology, there is no room left for an irreducible subject; there are only inputs and outputs. That lab model did not stay in the lab. It became the template for a mechanistic psychology and an industrial education system exported West: schools as conditioning environments, students as malleable organisms to be shaped for social “adjustment” and compliance. The aim shifts from cultivating virtue in free persons to programming predictable behaviors in populations. The same playbook runs straight through the 20th century: Tavistock, OSS/CIA, and a whole ecosystem of “behavioral sciences” aimed at cultural engineering. The old moral order had to be delegitimized so that a new behavioral order could be installed. You tear down thick metaphysical commitments — soul, objective moral law, transcendent ends — and replace them with malleable identities and statistically manageable preferences. Now that logic is simply being upgraded, not replaced. Game theory, complexity science, and tokenized incentives supercharge the technocratic project. Humans are rendered into legible nodes inside a cybernetic organism: data points with behavioral probabilities attached. Blockchain becomes the nervous system, DAOs approximate a distributed cortex, and behavioral tokens function like artificial hormones nudging the organism toward “optimal” states. The ideology underneath all of this is a “minimum viable metaphysics”: just enough of a model of “human behavior” to keep the system running, but with no room for real free will, objective purpose, or an immortal soul. This is not prudence or sober “accounting for human nature.” It is regression dressed up as realism. It drags political thought back before the…
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Jon Troyer
Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
@ImKingGinger @Berkesburner As a former Christian retailer who once had a vision to change the industry, I can assure you this is true. The "best" product, whether books, music, video, or gifts were often suppressed in favor of the female audience and what they wanted for their husbands and children.
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Marcus Pittman
Marcus Pittman@ImKingGinger·
@Berkesburner This is correct. KLOVE, etc only played music that would sell in Christian bookstores, so the music that got played on KLOVE was also music that appealed to Christian Women. The entire faith based entertainment industry is built at the neglect of the man.
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Marcus Pittman
Marcus Pittman@ImKingGinger·
The Truth About Why Christian Movies are So Bad. I’ve spent the last four years building a streaming platform and talking to people at the very top of the faith-based entertainment industry. Studio heads. Distributors. Producers. Investors. And I’ve come to a conclusion that I think is going to make a lot of people uncomfortable. Christian movies are bad on purpose. The talent is out there. I’ve met them. I’ve sat with them at 3am over whiskey and cigars listening to pitches that should have been picked up immediately. So that left a question that any Christian filmmaker could quickly answer. If the talent is there, why is everything so mediocre? It starts with an avatar named Bookstore Betty. I’m not making that up. When the faith-based film industry was being built out, it was done in partnership with Christian bookstore executives. They weren’t asking “how do we make great cinema.” They were asking “who walks into our stores and how do we sell them a movie the same way we sell them a devotional.” The target was a 35 year old woman. The tone, the casting, the conflict resolution, the soft lighting, all of it was reverse-engineered to appeal to Betty. Not to a general audience. Not to men. Not to teenagers. Just Betty. Every major Christian film you can think of relies on distribution deals with secular studios. The same studios that blacklisted almost everyone who worked on The Passion of the Christ and refused to distribute Kirk Cameron's Pro Life movie. Think about that. Passion made over $600 million on a $30 million budget. The most obvious play would have been to duplicate that movie hundreds of times like it was the MCU. But instead of greenlighting more, Hollywood blacklisted the people involved. So what did they do instead? They set up a system where they get to be the gatekeepers. They only greenlight the safest, most formulaic, most non-threatening stuff possible. Because if Christian films ever started consistently competing with mainstream entertainment, those studios would have a real problem. So they make sure that never happens. And the church helps them do it. Christian movies don’t need word of mouth. They don’t need to be good. They need pastors to bulk-buy tickets. You make a movie with a “message,” market it to churches, and pastors subsidize the whole thing by buying hundreds of tickets to hand out on Sunday. You don’t have to compete in a fair market when your distribution model is guilt-driven generosity. And the funding is even more rigged. Most of these films are funded through Donor Advised Funds, which means donors get a tax write-off for their “investment” regardless of whether the movie makes a dollar. There’s no market pressure to make something good. The donors got their deduction. The studio got their budget. And Betty got another movie about a woman who finds a journal in the attic. What would happen if someone actually came along and made faith-based content that created pop culture instead of reacting to it? I think it would instantly expose how low-effort the current industry is. It would be like when Uber showed up and embarrassed the taxi industry overnight. The monopoly only survives because nobody has disrupted it yet. The talent is there. The audience is there. The only thing missing is capital that wants disruption instead of a tax write-off.
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
"This here is where there is talking past each other." Yes, but vertically, not horizontally. "...as a moral agent however do not operate on moral self governance at least not consistently..." Yes, I'm acquainted with how incentives operate on individuals and groups, and in regards to risk management - I'm not missing some aspect of what you've described here or what others have elsewhere. I get the nature of it, and the point. "Laws don’t realign the unprincipled to be principled" I'm sure you've noticed that your language is thoroughly about systems management. Do you imagine that view is new with technology? You might think this is another instance of me talking past you, but the point is that it is an instance of your aligning with what has been understood for a very, very, long time. Everything you are saying here, though with much less technical expertise, was how the Law was written and utilized and executed in classical Greece and Rome and Britain too (Hobbes & King George would love it). What was revolutionary about the American founding, was that they fundamentally broke with the past. Our Founders generation understood the essential nature of Natural Law as classically understood, and as further developed under Christian influence through Aquinas and others, and the 'Property' focus of latter British thinking (see especially Coke ("A man's home is his castle!")). But what they did next, with the aid & influence of SCSR (Scottish Common Sense Realism), was that they performed an amazing bit of abstraction - one might even say Revolutionary - by grasping that the individual human, was not just a useful piece of the collective state, but that the metaphysical nature of a Man - not the King, or the State - was the proper source for that state and its Laws to be founded from, upon, and around, and that the key to doing so, was putting their individual rights, which were derived not from the state (or from what was most useful in managing it), but from the nature of being human, at the center of The Law. What is being proposed with Game Theory, as is the case with 'Economic Thinking' (and Positivist Law, etc), is NOT taking intelligent steps forward, but blindly going down and backwards. I think that both are an unwise direction to head in.
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CJ the palmer worm; wife,mother, analyst.
The purpose of the Wundt/Thorndike/Dewey Education System has been to reject and destroy the pedagogy Hirsch and others upheld. There were no mistakes. It was Education weaponized as warfare on domestic population - Statecraft in the managed demolition of the Constitutional Republic in addition to destruction from within of other western nations. The destruction of sovereign nations and of the endowed faculties of citizens to uphold and defend their nations. The well was poisoned deliberately and generations of ‘Educators’ were rewarded for furthering the destruction, whether or not, they understood what they were doing. Did every medical person administering injections and pharmaceuticals know they were poisoning someone? Not all no. Especially when the same money funded both Teacher Training and Medical Training. As it still does now.
Joshua D Phillips@JoshPhillipsPhD

I wish the educational system would just admit that E.D. Hirsch was right and then structure the curriculum accordingly.

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Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
More specifically, Wilson described the principal object of government (and by extension, the human laws it enacts) as "to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members." He added that any government lacking this as its principal object "is not a government of the legitimate kind."
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
"The position being made here is the law is based on ontological nature" Full stop. The understanding of Law by Americans (see James Wilson) at the time of America's founding - whatever other flaws it may have had - was that its purpose was to uphold and protect their rights, and that those rights were derived from the nature of being human. When the behavior of people is examined today, through a mathematical modeling of their behaviors, we are able to map theories upon the observed actions, even to the point of formulating statistically precise mathematical proofs for the behavior of populations of people. But those are two very different things. You're a techie, you understand the different between a Class, and the object instantiated from it, yes? When you run those ideas on into a single sentence that is now modified by a language of 'incentive dilemmas', you are introducing a modified image of man, which is no longer looking at Man as such, but at 'man' as population, and that switch has the potential to corrupt everything that follows upon it. "... the moment a law is established it objectively introduces incentive dilemmas..." No, the moment you begin looking at Law through the lens of 'incentive dilemmas', you are no longer being either prudent or practical towards the nature of Law or the governance of Man, as you're no longer looking at what is, but only at what it seems to be. Man is distinct from population, and to view The Law through that lens, is to begin using Law, not to establish a means of rendering justice for individuals under a Rule of Law, but as a means for more efficient population management. Those are two very different and fundamentally incompatible things. There is no Liberty under population management, but there most definitely is and must be an administrative state to manage the herd, and a need for those with the expertise to refine that. I would beware of playing that role.
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
Shall we play a game? Should we? To what ends should we combine Game Theory with the Rule of Law? That's another strange game, in which the only winning move is not to play. But many 'defenders of liberty' are urging us all to play along...🧵
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Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
James Wilson said: "The will of God [as it pertains to law] is graciously comprised in this one paternal precept — Let man pursue his happiness and perfection. The law of nature is immutable; not by the effect of an arbitrary disposition, but because it has its foundation in the nature, constitution, and mutual relations of men and things. While these continue to be the same, it must continue to be the same also. This immutability of nature’s laws has nothing in it repugnant to the supreme power of an all-perfect Being. Since He Himself is the author of our constitution; He cannot but command or forbid such things as are necessarily agreeable or disagreeable to this very constitution." Human law is to protect the natural rights of man. The moment you shift your gaze to the purpose of law being to effect human behavior, you have introduced a corruption to the law that will always end in tyranny.
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Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
"You can speak of Law as incentive structures, but you cannot do so without undermining and inducing unacknowledged faults and errors that result from your doing so. The Law is there to make clear the boundaries of acceptable behavior, and what intricacies of agreements are acceptable attempts to 'thread the needle', and to make clear what violates those boundaries, and punishments for doing so. It is not only unwise to view that as 'incentive dilemmas', it is importing incompatible perspectives to the consideration, formulation, and application of the Law."
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact

2/4) Philosophy's metaphysics, causality, logic, ethics, as well as religion, politics, law, civil customs, are foundational to, and precede discussions of how best to persuade and incentivize particular behaviors that are relevant and sensible in civil society. You can speak of Law as incentive structures, but you cannot do so without undermining and inducing unacknowledged faults and errors that result from your doing so. The Law is there to make clear the boundaries of acceptable behavior, and what intricacies of agreements are acceptable attempts to 'thread the needle', and to make clear what violates those boundaries, and punishments for doing so. It is not only unwise to view that as 'incentive dilemmas', it is importing incompatible perspectives to the consideration, formulation, and application of the Law. "...they get around certain structural, Constitutional and lawful deterrents?" After 40 years of explicit dis-education (preceded by much more), We The People introduced a fatal structural flaw into our system of governance at the transition between the 19th & 20th centuries, in the form of regulatory law (heavily influenced, BTW, by the same 'economic thinking' that Game Theory was spawned from), which has undermined the Rule of Law, and has implicitly, and in many cases explicitly, rendered legal support of our individual rights, without substance, and often actively infringes upon them. The problems we face today, are what resulted from well over a century of misosophy (hatred of wisdom), which guides the dis-education of our people, which promotes a pragmatic [hawks, spits] and utilitarian approach (incentive structures) to what we now consider 'normal' for going through life. That is a huge problem. It is not a problem that can be remedied by a more intensive application of the same thinking that caused the problems to begin with. I get the urgency of "We have to do something!". The urgency doesn't alter the nature of the problem that led to the sense of urgency. The problems are philosophical, constitutional, moral. You're not going to incentivize 'good behavior', when what makes actual good behavior possible, is what you're implicitly ignoring and/or violating.

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Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸
Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸@ClassicLibera12·
Nature itself objectively introduces incentive dilemmas. That is not manipulation it just is. Which animal to hunt or berry to pick. Which field to till or which river to settle near are incentive dilemmas which are risk/reward. Humans alone have the ontological properties of rational thought to understand this.
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Jon Troyer
Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
"That won't happen before people recognize why using govt to manage our lives, is fundamentally, philosophically, morally, and in the most practical sense, wrong. And that's not going to happen without people learning and understanding what it was that made the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution possible..." Buckle up folks, we're in for the long haul.
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact

3/4) There is no legislation that is going to remedy the issues of the regulatory administrative state. There are some measures that can be passed to anesthetize the pain, but the only solution is repealing every aspect of legislation and rulings on it, that permitted the regulatory systems to be imposed upon us. That won't happen before people recognize why using govt to manage our lives, is fundamentally, philosophically, morally, and in the most practical sense, wrong. And that's not going to happen without people learning and understanding what it was that made the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution possible, and why it is that their passage was fortunate enough to occur at the last possible moment in history that it was possible to do so. "... we are talking about three generations of anchored moral realism before we see its fruit..." Yes. And that won't be shortened by engaging in more intensive and 'smart' applications of what the problem is, to fix the problem. I understand that doesn't satisfy the urge to 'do something!'. Almost twenty years ago, my friends in the Tea Party didn't appreciate my telling them that IF we did a sound job of spreading that understanding, and experienced no setbacks in doing so, we might begin to be able to 'fix things' in about fifty years. Instead, they decided to focus on electing the 'right candidates'. They really, really, really, wanted that to work. It still didn't. Reality is like that. But. Despite ourselves, we did manage to begin spreading an interest in that fundamental understanding. When I first started bothering people by pointing this out in the late 90s, few would even politely listen. By about 2007ish people began saying "Huh? Federalist Papers? Natural Law...? Tell me more...", and despite ourselves, in the last ten years, I'm just as likely to hear about those from someone else, as them hearing about it from me. Obviously, that's not due to me, but to the fact that people - thousands and more - that I do not know and never will, have also been doing what I've been doing, and many more people than that are listening. Worthwhile change is not going to happen quickly. Sam Adams began talking about the loss of liberty and the need for independence, in the 1740s, and it took over two decades for that to sink in before the first 'win' of resistance to the Stamp Act, and another decade before the Declaration of Independence. And he started with a much healthier culture than we have to work with today. Sorry, but that's the way it is, it takes time, and it takes even more time if you don't 'do it right' to begin with, or 'do it wrong' to try and speed things up. There's no fix, no application update, that we can quickly download and apply, to short-circuit history through marketing and other incentive structures.

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The Real Mike Rowe
The Real Mike Rowe@mikeroweworks·
I want to apologize for not responding to any of the 22 thousand comments my last post inspired. I’ve been filming all week and just noticed my observations about Jimmy Kimmel and a former plumber named Markwayne Mullin have gone viral. I've also noticed that many of the comments are from people who genuinely seem to believe that Jimmy wasn’t belittling plumbers at all, but was instead, simply trying to point out that Mullin is not qualified to lead the DHS. Here's a small smattering... Roger Bicknell... Mikey stop. Kimmel wasn't making fun of plumbers he was making fun of Mullin. Rebecca Piatt Gonzalez... Dearest Mike, it's not anything to do with his being a plumber. It's him NOT being skilled in Homeland Security. Patrick Wise... Being a plumber qualifies you to be a plumber. Period. The issue Jimmy and the rest of us at the adult table recognize is that jobs require certain training and experience and being a plumber does not qualify you to be Sec of DHS. Had Roger, Rebecca, Patrick and all the others who rushed to Jimmy’s Kimmel’s defense actually read what I had written, they would see that I did not suggest - even remotely - that a plumber was inherently qualified to hold a cabinet position. What I said was that being a plumber should not disqualify a person from holding such a position. Big difference. Doctors, lawyers, veterinarians, fireman, and university professors are no more or less qualified to run the DHS than plumbers, electricians, or carpenters – but should they all be dismissed as “unqualified” simply because they made a living in some other vocation? As I wrote in my original post, credentials and diplomas are great ways to bolster a person’s credibility, especially if we’re talking about mastering a specific skill. I think we can all agree that plumbers, accountants, mechanics, and surgeons should all have to prove themselves competent before hanging out a shingle. But what do their credentials and diplomas have to do with their actual competency? Are we not already surrounded by a legion of perfectly qualified experts who don't know what the hell they're doing? Moreover, what do credentials and experience have to do with wisdom, honesty, common sense, integrity, courage, the ability to lead, or any other virtue we’d like to have in our elected officials? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to question Mullin’s suitability for this role. But there’s no legitimate reason to disqualify him simply because he used to be a plumber. Just as there was no legitimate reason to dismiss AOC because she used to tend bar. As for the joke itself, here’s an honest question. If Senator Mullin was a retired doctor instead of a retired plumber, do you believe he would have would made the same joke? Roger, Rebecca, Patrick...be honest. Do you really think Jimmy would have said to his audience, "So, now we have a DOCTOR in charge of protecting us from terrorism? Hey – it worked for Dr. Suess – maybe it’ll work for Markwayne!" Personally, I don't. Not in a million years. Why? Because no one would have found it funny, that’s why. Even though doctors are no more “qualified” to protect us from terrorists than plumbers are, Jimmy knows that doctors are widely respected in society, and that plumbers are not. He knows that medical degrees and doctorates are aspirational credentials, whereas plumbing certificates are not. The entire premise of his joke was based on a personal bias that he knew his audience shared – a bias that presupposes plumbers are uneducated, one-dimensional workers who never made it to college, and are therefore "unqualified" to do anything but plumb. Jimmy is entitled to his opinion, along with anyone else who believes that Mullin is unqualified to lead the DHS. The Constitution, however, says otherwise, and so does the Senate. Likewise, reasonable people can disagree as to what is funny and what isn’t. Frankly, I couldn’t care less. What I do care about, is the extraordinary shortage of plumbers and electricians our country is facing, and the longstanding stigmas and stereotypes that continue to discourage people from considering a lucrative career in the skilled trades. Jimmy’s joke – and his audience’s reaction to it – is proof positive that those stigmas and stereotypes are alive and well. PS. We have a lot of money set aside to help train the next generation of plumbers. Apply for a scholarship at mikeroweworks.org Who knows? Could be the first step on your road to President..
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LifeNews.com
LifeNews.com@LifeNewsHQ·
BREAKING: Final Charge Dismissed Against David Daleiden for Exposing Planned Parenthood Aborted Baby Part Sales lifenews.com/2026/04/02/fin…
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Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸@ClassicLibera12·
The burglar (who is unprincipled because he is taking other people’s things) does not rob a home with a large mean dog, not because he realizes the error of his ways or doesn’t want to hurt a dog but because the effort and risk are greater than the reward of robbing a house without a dog. This is not from the orientation of what lead him immorally to become a burglar in the first place.
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Jon Troyer@theRTcafe·
"The Behaviorists have made it difficult to converse about the less principled and the unprincipled who operate on risk/reward" I would argue that the assumption that such people operate on a "risk/reward" basis is flawed. Since the underlying premise is flawed, all things built upon it are suspect and unstable, no matter what new terminology is invented to try to explain it. Instead, look to Aquinas for his comments on the basis for human law.
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Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸
Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸@ClassicLibera12·
See look! Even if we disagree semantically we are aligned (mostly) in the fundamental premise. What do we mean by “incentives”, positive incentives? Negative? Moral realist? Constructivist? Well for us probably the benefit of the doubt is given, that at least in principle we’re both aligned with moral realism. If I do accidentally reference “Game Theory” (which I do try not too)…I’m actually just talking about a clinical observation of how humans operate in risk/reward conditions not its technocratic praxis…(I know, I know theory and praxis can’t be separated). I’m not even sure what to call these human behavioral disciplines considering their manipulative sources…it’s rife with esoteric smuggling. And that’s my point. The Behaviorists have made it difficult to converse about the less principled and the unprincipled who operate on risk/reward…
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Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸
Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸@ClassicLibera12·
This is not directed at you in particular but a general statement. I think this is a misrepresentation of his position mainly revolving around the pedantry of the word and history behind “Game Theory”. Fundamentally this about incentive structures and alignments that are objectively true about human nature not about accepting the constructivist grounds of “Game Theory”. Moral Self-governing people do not require gamed external incentive structures. It is mainly the people who lack principles or who are wholly unprincipled, who believe that life means anything they can get away with that are the problem…and it is not an immaterial amount of unprincipled people that impact society. The unprincipled do not operate on moral self-governance, they operate on incentive alignments…the really bad ones who disregard even when incentive structures exist we call criminals or tyrants. Aquinas knew this, the Founders knew this. That’s why the government is arranged as it is with checks and balances. That’s why we have laws and police and a justice system. These have built in incentive structures to account for the unprincipled…this is not constructivist “Game Theory” which exploits incentive structures…incentive structures are real and true aspects of human nature for good or for ill. So everyone has been spinning in metaphysical circles unnecessarily to the point of animosity and assumed bad faith or accusatory collapse into Nominalist thinking. Once the word “Game Theory” was used it was Game Over for dialog… Whatever I guess…whatever is going on goes beyond this particular kerfuffle Manipulative Game Theory is bad, incentive structures to account for the unprincipled is practical. Fin
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Allen Garvin
Allen Garvin@allengarvin·
@StaciBryant133 @loganclarkhall @jetbirdz Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. Provide the source that it is valid, and preferably also a pass-fail rate. But just any valid sourcing that it's real would be sufficient.
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Logan Hall
Logan Hall@loganclarkhall·
One of the major blackpills is reading letters from soldiers during the Civil War who never received a formal education and realizing they could read and write much better than the vast majority of our society nowadays.
Daniel Buck, “Youngest Old Man in Ed Reform”@MrDanielBuck

Harvard circa 1700s: "No student shall be admitted unless they can translate Greek and Latin authors such as Tully, Virgil, The New-Testament, & Xenophon." Harvard circa 2026: "We can't assign whole novels anymore."

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Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸@ClassicLibera12·
What do you call the practical invective structures that are in place to mitigate the impact of the less principled within society? Read very carefully and clearly. Do not staw man. This is not a question about establishing and upholding the primacy of a society aligned with the moral order nor replacing it with incentive structures be they practical or more nefarious.
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