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@Van_Blogodidact

Once an ignorant rocker, now an informed father - Classic American Liberal & anti Pro-Regressive. Blog + Autodidact (self taught learner) = Blogodidact

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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
@thepalmerworm I'm pretty sure that you'd have a very difficult time explaining to any of those of our Founders' generation, how a sound education could fail to transmit a solid understanding of the traditions of The West.
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M.takewaka
M.takewaka@m_takewaka·
My American friends, I'm facing a major problem here. When I say I want to eat American BBQ, some Americans say, "come to Texas," others say, "come to South Carolina," and still others say, "come to Missouri." I'm confused. Are you guys going to start a BBQ civil war?
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Courtenay Turner
Courtenay Turner@CourtenayTurner·
1/2 🧵 My response to some interesting question on my Divided line essay: open.substack.com/pub/correspond… Great discussion here, and I appreciate the depth you’re both bringing to the Divided Line. But I’d be remiss not to point something out that bears directly on this conversation. We’ve been talking about how figures at the dianoia level present themselves as guides to noesis — offering hypothetical symbolic frameworks as if they were the Forms themselves. This is not merely an abstract philosophical problem. It is operationally active right now. Jordan Peterson is perhaps the most visible contemporary example. I want to be fair: he has genuinely helped many young men find a sense of order, responsibility, and meaning. That is real, and I won’t dismiss it. But that is also precisely what makes the deeper issue so dangerous. A shepherd who leads the flock part of the way up the mountain — and then into a different cave — does more damage than a shepherd who never got anyone moving at all. His entire framework is Jungian archetypal psychology dressed in Platonic clothing. The archetypes function as his Forms. He is asking you to ascend through his symbolic interpretive system. That is not noesis. That is a closed dialectical circle — what I’d call the Wizard’s Circle — where all reasoning is permitted only within the pre-established frame. Question the frame and you’re accused of retreating to the shadows. This conversation is getting to something really important, and I want to push it one level further, because I think it’s the crux of everything. We tend to treat noesis as the unambiguous goal — the summit of the Divided Line, direct apprehension of the Forms, the philosopher finally free of the cave. And within Plato’s framework, yes, that’s the highest epistemic state. But here’s what I’d ask you to sit with: noesis, as a structural concept, does something very dangerous. It creates a permanently two-tiered epistemic class. There are those who have achieved direct apprehension of ultimate truth — and there are those who haven’t. And crucially, the ones who haven’t cannot evaluate the claim of those who have. You cannot verify noesis from outside noesis. That’s not a bug in Gnosticism. That is Gnosticism. The pneumatics, the psychics, the hylics — it’s the same ladder. The initiated and the uninitiated. And the initiated get to speak for reality in a way the uninitiated are structurally prohibited from challenging. Plato arguably planted that seed, and the Neoplatonists — Plotinus, Ficino, Pico — watered it into full esoteric bloom. Now bring it forward to today. What is “the science” as wielded by the expert class? It is a secular noesis claim. “We have accessed a level of understanding you cannot follow without our credentials, our models, our methodologies. Trust the experts.” The epistemological structure is identical. It doesn’t matter whether you dress it in Jungian archetypes, Integral Theory, climate modeling, or public health consensus — the move is always the same: I have seen the Forms. You have not. Defer to me. Peterson does this with Jungian depth psychology. He implies he has intuited the deep archetypal structures of the psyche — the things beneath the things — in a way that grants him interpretive authority. And I’ve done a deep dive on how this connects directly to ARC, because ARC is selling the same epistemological product with a traditionalist label on it. The “better story” they’re offering is still a story that requires their initiated narrators to tell it. The Christian answer to this (and you don’t have to be Christian to recognize it metaphysically) — and I think this is decisive — is the Incarnation. Logos made flesh. Truth that became publicly visible, touchable, falsifiable by anyone present, not accessible only through an esoteric method mastered by a natural elite. That’s not just a theological claim. It’s an epistemological revolution. It’s the direct counter-structure to both Platonic
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
👀 Beware the choice that's offered, which dismantles your ability to make choices that're worth choosing.
CJ the palmer worm; wife,mother, analyst.@thepalmerworm

In the architecture of human civilization, there has been a long campaign of subjugation and power consolidation over many generations and even eras. The move away from a foundation of Ontology (the study of being, or what a thing inherently is) and toward a constructed projection of Will (the assertion of what we want a thing to become - including, or especially, ourselves!). Across every sector (politics, religion and technology) the same two-step tactic repeats: Step 1 - Sever from Reality (Voluntarism): Truth becomes interpretation, meaning becomes fluid and nature becomes irrelevant (at best) and rejected (at worst). This liquefies the old order. Step 2 - Reground in Choice (Voluntaryism): Once reality is gone, order is rebuilt on constructs of ‘consent’. Obligation becomes optional and legitimacy is reduced to a contract or a ‘transactional consent’. To the unformed mind, driven only by desire and autonomous will, this feels like liberation; freedom, flexibility and empowerment. In reality, it is disintegration. When nothing is fixed and nothing binds unless chosen, the individual is left without a shared, knowable reality to stand upon. You are ‘free’ in this appetite driven Regime only as long as you remain a compliant participant in the system. With ‘truth’ reduced to will-driven interpretation there is no objective floor, no protection against power. Moral law becomes expressive (a way to signal identity) rather than binding regardless of identity and belief. The internal shift of the will toward ‘curated reality’ provides the psychological groundwork for an external shift in how we participate in society through technology and markets - and crucially - how we are incentivized (or penalized) for doing so. Voluntaryism provides the mask; you are told your participation is ‘optional’ because you clicked ‘I agree’. However, The System operates on Voluntarism; The Operators continuously redefine the rules, update policies and restrict access based on their own will, not in accord with and what is binding on all, for They are ‘above & beyond’. ‘They’ now occupy that which transcended and has been rejected by the Consumer Mindset at large. The stakes of this Consumer Mindset are still unrecognized and unacknowledged by most - which ‘They’ continue to fully exploit while that ignorance and wilful blindness persists. Voluntarism and voluntaryism sound very similar - understand their distinction, their symbiosis and their manifestation skin suiting all Politics, movements within Faith, Economic Theories & all Ideologies. Remember that what the American Founders established was prior to all of that, not the product of any of it.

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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
@NancyRPearcey "... in 1807 Britain..." did what several colonial states in America did 30yrs earlier, once they didn't have Britain forcing them to keep on slaving. But... good job.
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Wasson Watch Co.
Wasson Watch Co.@WassonWatch·
I have been silent about this for a long time, but I can no longer keep quiet about it in good conscience. The "Strait" of Hormuz isn't straight at all. It's super crooked. You can see in the helpful graphic I put together below. The elites don't want you to know this.
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
👀❗️"...In intelligence parlance, that’s a collection effort. Except the targets weren’t al-Baghdadi’s networks. They were American citizens exercising their First Amendment rights within a constitutional republic..."
Courtenay Turner@CourtenayTurner

Let’s have a look at McChrystal, The Trust Foundation, and the Architecture of Managed Consent— what happens when COIN doctrine comes home — and why that question matters in a constitutional republic. General Stanley McChrystal — architect of JSOC’s “Team of Teams” model, the same decentralized targeting framework that dismantled insurgent networks in Iraq and Afghanistan — is listed as a strategic advisor to The Trust Foundation. This is on their own website. Not inference. Not pattern-matching. Their own language. The Trust Foundation frames its mission around what it calls a “trust crisis” in American civil society — rebuilding social cohesion through catalytic community and networks of networks. That vocabulary should be immediately recognizable to anyone who has studied McChrystal’s doctrine. In Team of Teams, he argued that defeating a decentralized adversary required mirroring that adversary’s structure — shared consciousness, trust-not-control, distributed execution within a unified command intent. The language is nearly identical. The question is: who holds the command intent now? This Isn’t Theoretical — We Have a Test Case: Before asking where McChrystal’s frameworks are headed, it’s worth examining where they’ve already been — domestically. In 2020, McChrystal was linked to Defeat Disinfo, a Democratic-aligned political action committee that deployed AI-driven network analysis — built on open-source technology incubated with DARPA funding originally designed to counter ISIS propaganda — against the sitting President of the United States and his supporters . As Unconstrained Analytics documented, the system used artificial intelligence to map Trump’s statements to social media discussion groups and the individuals participating in them. In intelligence parlance, that’s a collection effort. Except the targets weren’t al-Baghdadi’s networks. They were American citizens exercising their First Amendment rights within a constitutional republic . The mechanism Defeat Disinfo used was the F3EAD cycle — Find, Fix, Finish, Exploit, Analyze, Disseminate — the same targeting architecture McChrystal refined hunting terrorists in Mesopotamia . The “finish” in this context wasn’t kinetic. It was narrative: identify the most resonant counter-messages, then pay influencers to “intervene” in the President’s official communications by boosting them across a network of 3.4 million accounts . That’s not fact-checking. That’s information warfare dressed in the language of civic health. The Trust Foundation’s Role Co-founder Jordan Hall — formerly Jordan Greenhall — is the primary architect of Game B, a post-institutional framework for what he calls “collective intelligence” and “cultural evolution.” The Santa Fe Institute, which received funding from Jeffrey Epstein, has served as a hub for the complexity-science thinking that undergirds Game B’s theoretical framework. I am not asserting Hall had any knowledge of or direct relationship with Epstein — I am noting the intellectual ecosystem in which these ideas were incubated and who financed access to it. Precision matters here, because imprecision is the tool of the people we’re examining. What is documentable is the framework itself: Game B does not propose restoring the constitutional structures that made ordered liberty possible. It proposes evolving beyond them — guided cultural emergence, new sensemaking infrastructure, collective intelligence that supersedes what Hall regards as the brittle, “legacy” institutional forms. In a constitutional republic, where sovereignty derives from the consent of individual citizens operating under rule of law, that framing isn’t reform. It’s replacement. The Synthesis to Watch (IMO) Here is where the architecture becomes visible. McChrystal’s Group has spent years marketing “Team of Teams” principles to corporations, NGOs, and now civic institutions. The Trust Foundation applies those principles to the specific problem of post-COVID, cont👇🏻

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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
"...Dismissing both as equally utterly ridiculous and inherently false could be a mistake..." I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm afraid the mistake is not doing just that. The likes of Adam Smith & Frederic Bastiat were attempting to identify those principles that are the source of wealth, which were found to follow from what the nature of being human IS, which Smith termed Natural Liberty. 'Capitalism' was the term that Marx utilized to attack and reframe the issue into being one of competing 'systems' (actions with no Is that acts), in which a person is an evolving 'species being' that has no real identity. Because those on 'the Right' have gleefully accepted Marx's mislabeling and redefinition, especially 'Libertarians', who agree with its fundamental premise (which opposes identifying what IS), we are in the ridiculous position of defending what was formulated to destroy us, while trying to say which one is 'better'. Take a closer look at what @ClassicLibera12 said in the OP about "German Idealism and Cartesian Skepticism", and what follows from that - it is important not to let the surface ideologies distract you from what it is they are intended to lead people to ignore. Or for more detail, this links to a relevant point partway through an extended post I did on this subject: #WastefulEcon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">blogodidact.blogspot.com/p/exiting-wiza…
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Dan Clemens
Dan Clemens@Rieffian·
Im just saying that 'none of them can or will correctly identify anything' ie all shades of woke are bad and wrong , could have a downside here: one sees capitalism at the problem we need to end/address, another sees globalism as problem... Dismissing both as equally utterly ridiculous and inherently false could be a mistake. Anyway applying 'woke' label to left right and libertarian helps show the similarities can also blur obvious contrasts. Anyhow, thanks for a great discussion!
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
Good answer.
Classic__Liberal 🌲🇺🇸@ClassicLibera12

Oh boy. It can take a bit of work to wrap your head around Libertarianism, since you are well versed in all that is Wokeism and Classic American Liberalism we can shorthand a bit here. 👍 1. Libertarianism comes from the same intellectual source as both the Woke Left and Woke Right…German Idealism and Cartesian Skepticism. In essence it fundamentally refutes the Creator as our author of our Natural Rights from the very basis of the properties of the Human Being (Imago Dei) for willful voluntarism or rational acts. What they call Praxeology. Rights and the moral order are human contracts not inalienable to our being. All forms of Wokeness carry this attribute. It’s way more in depth than this but at a high level you can see the intellectual lineage. Woke Left: Kant > Hegel > Marx > Marcuse > Kimberle Crenshaw Woke Right: Kant > Schmitt > Buchanan > Dugin > General Flynn Woke Libertarian: Kant > Rothbard > Hoppe > Ron Paul 2. More specifically for Libertarianism you have Mises, Hayek, Rothbard and Hoppe. While Mises and Hayek are “less problematic” they are the gateway to the more radical Rothbard and Hoppe which well cover mostly here. 3. All forms of Wokeness have an oppressor. Woke Left: Capitalists, Men, White people, normativity, ect. Woke Right: The Postwar Liberal Consensus, Egalitarianism, Progressivism, Classic American Liberalism, the Constitution, etc. Woke Libertarianism: The Nation State, the Globalist State, the United States of America, etc. This Libertarianism gets from Rothbard and Hoppe. It needs to be clearly expressed. Woke Libertarianism holds the United States of America as established in the Constitution as >illegitimate<. All efforts of a Woke Libertarian (like Dave Smith) is to delegitimize the United States. 4. Hoppe (who studied under the Marxist Habermas) is where we run into the antisemitic, racist, white nationalist component of Woke Libertarianism. Since they don’t believe in the Nation State what would replace it? Well a series of contractual communes or enclaves. This can be formulated around any premise so long as it is consented to. It can be a political commune, religious commune…or even a racial or ethnic commune. Enter the white nationalist “Libertarian”. Which of course is going to include antisemitism amongst other racist and discriminatory dispositions. But that’s not all. For Woke Libertarianism Israel and Palestine represent a Libertarian ideological proxy or allegory. Israel represents the oppressive Globalist Nation State. Palestine the religious and ethnic commune alienated by the evil Nation State. Israel of course a proxy of the even larger and more evil Globalist State of which the United States is the most powerful member. 5. Multipolarity then for Libertarianism is a means to an end. By teaming up with the Duginite Post-Liberals they work together to diminish the influence of Israel and the United States. While they have different end goals they are unified in the antisemitic, anti-United States Multipolar active measure. This doesn’t of course account for their technocratic operations to remove Natural Law as the basis of American governance and individual liberty.

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Dan Clemens
Dan Clemens@Rieffian·
Fair. But re: "3" forms of oppressor, can we assign 'truth' values where some identify / address real problems (far) better than others, while others tilt at windmills. Put another way, the mere structure of identifying a problem cannot itself be disqualifying; the real/falsity of underlying problem matters a lot
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Insurrection Barbie
Insurrection Barbie@DefiyantlyFree·
What the heck happened to the Libertarian party? How did they get co-opted and recruited into forming the new fourth reich.
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Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
@Rieffian It's maybe a bit ironic, given how central 'Identity' is to their politics, but none of them can or will correctly identify anything at all. They'll agree to anything they feel is useful, but what something actually is, is something they cannot identify. The rest follows.
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Dan Clemens
Dan Clemens@Rieffian·
"Woke Left: Capitalists, Men, White people, normativity, ect. Woke Right: The Postwar Liberal Consensus, Egalitarianism, Progressivism, Classic American Liberalism, the Constitution, etc. Woke Libertarianism: The Nation State, the Globalist State, the United States of America, etc." -- im just asking are these 3 constructions all equally off-the-mark or e.g. wouldnt it be easy to link-rank them in order of most foolish/more plausible
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
@Rieffian "...im just asking are these 3 constructions all equally off-the-mark..." Again, which part of any of them, is correctly 'on the mark', and how?
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Van Harvey
Van Harvey@Van_Blogodidact·
@Rieffian "...while others identify correctly anything..." Name me one woke theory that correctly identifies anything?
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Dan Clemens
Dan Clemens@Rieffian·
Wondering about the proliferation of calling everything woke. Some (woke) theories will identify a contrived oppressor while others identify correctly anything antithetical to human flourishing. A theory can oppose an oppressor but that structure alone is immaterial, does it speak to a real phenomenon in a useful way or not
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