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Sumali Nisan 2012
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@Th3birdman15 @DreadedStephy @Ranting_Monkey The image is not accurate as it implicitly suggests that you could just step beside the crasher, misrepresenting the original red/blue button question. You can be either on top of the crasher or below it. Do you really trust that 50% of people will get below?
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Ranting Monkey@Ranting_Monkey·
So I just saw this video from @Th3birdman15 and I'm genuinely curious how people can be this dumb. In the scenario, there's literally no downside to pushing red. If everyone presses red, everyone lives. The only reason to press blue is to feel morally superior, as some savior of the masses, and in doing so there's a 50/50 chance of killing a whole bunch of people. The blue button is the good intentions button and we all know where that road leads. youtube.com/watch?v=VvlfOp…
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Tilt@jakeisnotbased·
@Apocaloptimist5 Yet their “rationale” is still faulty.
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Apocaloptimist@Apocaloptimist5·
The red and blue button experiment does an excellent job of exposing how many people equate "rationality" with being a psychopath.
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@hellofamil73975 Why wouldn't everyone untie oneself, assuming that everyone is perfectly capable to?
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@sebBaku @Real_Shrigma This is an inherently totalitarian word-view. You would likely prosecute red-button-pressers.
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seb 🦝📕@sebBaku·
@Real_Shrigma My bet is to keep the selfless people alive in society. If only selfish people live then it would get exponentially worse post button push.
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@matty_ Would you seriously pick blue and risk orphaning your 3yr old (as it is equally likely to pick red) for the minuscule chance that your vote changes the outcome?
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Matt O'Connor
Matt O'Connor@matty_·
The rational case for blue is that for everyone to live, red requires 100% adherence, but blue only requires 50%+ adherence. Put differently, what if your 3yr old also played the game?
Mike Solana@micsolana

fwiw, and this is embarrassing but I'm going to admit it, my instinct was blue, and I pressed blue. then I thought about it for a moment and the answer was clearly red. I can't make a rational case for blue, but understand where blues are coming from (they are wrong).

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@Mccoy_Labadsy 50% of the population „will not just” pick blue.
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@VGBC_GimR Should parents risk orphaning their children by pressing blue?
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GimR (Go watch SASSY!)@VGBC_GimR·
Blues: come on guys, if we just get over 50% we can save everyone! Reds: if you press blue, you’re just killing yourself. No one has made a single coherent argument as to why I should press it. If everyone just pressed it no one is in danger. And you know what!? Blues are actually the immoral ones because- Blues: what about children? Many of them will select a button at random. Reds:
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MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
Another reason to pick red: You assume that 50% of the population "will not just" coordinate and pick blue, so picking blue has high probability of dying without saving anyone. You pick red, as your particular vote is extremely unlikely to change the outcome anyway.
Phil Hoyeck@PAHoyeck

It's actually kind of fascinating how much the blue button vs red button discourse captures the pitfalls of human reasoning. Both blue button pushers and red button pushers think theirs is the obvious choice. But each fails miserably to explain the other side’s view.

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@JdponTransfem People don’t „always” pick blue, that’s the entire problem. Dumbass.
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Hélène@JdponTransfem·
What's funny with red pushers is how consistently they lack a theory of mind, they genuinely cannot conceive why people always chose blue and assume it's just stupidity or virtue signaling, non individualist argument go completely above their heads
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@workflowsauce But blue takes tremendous risk, assuming that „half of the population will just”.
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Joshua 💫
Joshua 💫@workflowsauce·
> Pressing blue is the only way people die This is “if everyone will just” The majority of red arguments reduce to this Blue accepts that everyone will not just
NanoScream@ironyisabich

@TheEbonyMaw Nothing bad happens if everyone presses the red button but the way the question is set up seems like you HAVE to press blue or else people will die Pressing blue is the only way people die Handy chart stolen from someone in the OP replies

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@s8mb So you prefer to probably die with your toddler and orphan other children and hurt your family and friends?
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Sam Bowman
Sam Bowman@s8mb·
Obviously red would be the right button to push, except for the fact that children get to vote privately too. I’m not voting red if there’s a chance my toddler has randomly voted blue. I think that gets you a pretty large and solid vote for blue.
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@TheShamblingIt @bakaman_vtuber @lowgradef Exactly. The sheer possibility of many people hitting red makes it risky to hit blue. If the risk is high, you pick red. If it is low, you still could pick red as it likely won’t affect the outcome.
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Mr Nobody@TheShamblingIt·
@bakaman_vtuber @lowgradef The problem that only exists because of people hitting the red button when there's an option that doesn't involve anyone dying
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Mingu@lowgradef·
i picked blue too. seems like a logical answer since, if we all pick blue we all live. the only reason to pick red is out of fear of others picking red which is stupid because you are adding to the problem trying to dodge it.
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@Slimebo21 @lowgradef If you’re confident more people will pick blue you still pick red just in case as your choice would hardly affect the outcome.
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Slimebo2@Slimebo21·
@lowgradef It all just comes down to whether you think more people will pick red or blue. If you’re confident that more people will pick blue, you pick blue because you make it even more likely to pass. If you’re confident more people will pick red you pick red to survive
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@Hips_Lips_ @lowgradef It’s insane to assume that reaching 50% of blue global pop is a high probability event.
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Dr. Hips&Lips@Hips_Lips_·
@lowgradef It's 50%. I'd maybe understand red if the threshold was like, > 70%, but thinking that 50% of global pop would push red is actually insane. It's a low risk low effort way to show that you aren't a coward who would choose to help people. Even shitty people will do it to posture.
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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@lowgradef The sheer fact that there is a debate over this implies that there is an inherent risk of dying associated with picking blue. And depending on one’s estimation of that risk one may choose red. So your reasoning is stupid, actually.
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NeroTsumi 🪄🍮
NeroTsumi 🪄🍮@KuroSekaiAnime·
Let me break this down >People will press blue >its inevitable >Pushing red sacrifices these people but saves you >clicking blue saves everyone with risk > 50% is a small requirement > So as many people as possible should press blue to save everyone > clicking red is selfish
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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msat@MSatkiewicz·
@FondOfBeetles How does it change reds’ decision to push red? Just be happy for blue, but still push red.
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Emma Hilton
Emma Hilton@FondOfBeetles·
Reds are really annoyed that every single poll shows blues are gonna be fine, huh? How long does it keep repeating before they re-examine their priors?
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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teddy@sergeanttheodor·
There’s no manipulation. It not like blue voters don’t understand there’s a risk of death. Rather it’s that the risk is acceptable if the outcome results in lives saved. But if the question is phrased “kill yourself or live” it becomes a question entirely of self preservation & blue would lose for sure. The original question is phrased “self preservation at zero risk vs collective preservation at some risk.”
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󠁧󠁢BeuwenDragon@BeuwenDragon·
Blue button pushers are easily manipulated by deceptive wording, selfishly resorting to emotional coercion to manipulate other people into gambling their lives to save them from the consequences of their own choice, all while gaslighting everyone to thinking they are altruistic.
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