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@AtlasIsMe

From trading in Tier 1 banks to becoming a Full Degen Ape. #DeFi got me.

شامل ہوئے Temmuz 2017
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Atlas
Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
[1/9] A quick technical tip🧵you MUST do before aping to avoid rugged (ex of unicornodes) Even if you have 0 knowledge about coding, a 14 yo child can spot those technical red flags. A bonus note on why we need a better KYC agency. Let's dig into it : audit vs launch 👇
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Felix@felixprotocol·
Felix OIL-USDH Weekend ADL Analysis Over the weekend, crude oil prices spiked ~35%--the largest gain for oil futures since 1983. With this spike came a wiping out of 913 OIL-USDH shorts; ~$3.7m of shorts were liquidated over March 7 and March 8. This involved a triggering of $2.13m ADLs of longs in profit. For those not fully familiar, why is ADL necessary? ADL (auto-deleveraging) closes positions in profit when positions in the red do not have enough margin to cover their loss after attempted liquidation. Without a way to process these liquidations, we’d see insolvency in the system, so positions in profit are closed to also close out the positions in a full loss. The first positions to be ADLed are determined by a combination of size, profit, and leverage. The specific sorting index to determine the affected users in profit is (mark_price / entry_price) * (notional_position / account_value). Those traders' positions are closed at the previous mark price against the now underwater user, ensuring that the platform has no bad debt. Through validator-deployed perps, HLP would be the first line of defense to take on liquidated positions. After this would come ADL, like we saw on October 10. However, because HLP does not support HIP-3-deployed perp markets, we go straight to ADL. This is why when $3.7m of shorts were liquidated over the weekend, there were $2.13m of ADLs on Felix’s OIL-USDH. There were $31.02m of liquidations and $4.08m of ADLs on TradeXYZ's CL-USDC over the same time frame as a reference. More updates will be shared on OIL-USDH over the coming days given current market volatility. We are still early in the lifecycle of 24/7 markets on traditional assets; as HIP-3 markets mature, these mass ADL events will hopefully become less and less of an impact on the market at large. Safe trading to all
Felix@felixprotocol

Crude Oil (WTI) perp is now live to trade on Hyperliquid The crude oil (WTI) perp market is deployed and managed by the Felix team (via HIP-3). The starting parameters of the market are the following: >Starting max leverage is 5x >Starting OI cap is set at 2.5M USD >On-hours and Off-hours pricing follows the specification in Felix docs below Trade here: trade.usefelix.xyz/flx:OIL Docs can be viewed here: usefelix.gitbook.io/perps

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gTrade | Gains Network 🍏
gTrade | Gains Network 🍏@GainsNetwork_io·
🛢️ $WTI fees on gTrade just dropped to 4 bps! Oil markets are moving fast. Trade now with: • Lower fees • Up to 150x leverage • Best-in-class slippage • Deep liquidity • No ADL risk $WTI now also unlocks funding fee and arbitrage opportunities as a Core pair 👀
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NewType🌐@NewtypeTrades·
@GainsNetwork_io Does it matter which chain we use for these features? Or is there greater liquidity depending which chain you use through Gains ?
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gTrade | Gains Network 🍏
gTrade | Gains Network 🍏@GainsNetwork_io·
$50M traded on $XAG in 24 hours yesterday 👀 Silver traders are active. 🍏Why they choose gTrade: • Lowest slippage of any venue • No ADL risks • Up to 250x leverage • Better liquidation thresholds Trading RWAs with size? Execution matters.
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Pix@Pixpio·
@munchPRMR EdgeX probably the best of they fix their slippage shit the platform is so good
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munch@munchPRMR·
Lighter points are over for now There is no announced Hyperliquid season right now What is the best perp DEX to farm now?
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
1/ Ratio of OI between HL and Lighter is actually increasing in favor of HL 2/ Incentives on Lighter might not be over, traders holding positions & trading in hope of a final distribution of points (happened on HL). The final re-distribution of HL gave more points than any other week 3/ Relative OIs of HL vs CEXes are on the rise recently 4/ Ratio of OI & Volume on stocks on HL vs Lighter is much bigger for HL I hold a decent bag of Lighter points — this isn’t bias. Just stop spreading misinformation, kid.
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ajey.lit (Perp Dex arc)
ajey.lit (Perp Dex arc)@ajey_eth·
Hyperliquid and hyperEVM are dead. - After the October 10 crash, open interest has been going down continuously, with almost 0% recovery since then. - getting strong competition from Lighter nd DisAster in terms of daily fees revenue and volume. - They have already lost their DEX market share, while a competitive DEX like Lighter has captured around 27–30%. - team is selling HYPE tokens using dev wallets. - Most hyperEVM projects in ecosystem turned out to be exit scams. - They are so desperate that they even sold $MON ticker to Monad. - No airdrop for loyal users since 1969. - Most HyperEVM projects launched their TGE at the wrong time, rugged, and then blamed the users. - I’ve never heard of profitable positions getting ADL before Hyperliquid. That’s it.
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@_El33_ @tayvano_ @LucaNetz @kaiynne You also need to do dd on Lighter latency during volatility. It was covered recently. It explodes by a magnitude every time the market gets volatile, which make those tables irrelevant
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El33@_El33_·
If Lighter’s model is designed to extract more value due to spreads, they’re doing a terrible job. Multiple independent tools show: Execution cost is almost always cheapest on Lighter. Did you guys actually perform dd? @tayvano_ @LucaNetz @kaiynne
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Laura Shin@laurashin

Lighter has emerged as a top competitor in the perps DEX wars. But some say the exchange’s “0% fees” is just fees hiding in the spread. 🤷‍♂️ @kaiynne’s take? “It’s kind of genius.” 👀

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KoolKrypto@koolkrypto223·
Why @Eugene_Bulltime is so wrong about Lighter's valuation Why are we using TVL??? That might unironically be one of the most useless stats for a perps dex. Volume is bad, OI is better, fees is probably best (fees directed to tokenholders better still). Justin Sun just added $100m of TVL to LLP in the last week, did that magically increase Lighter FDV by $500m? From Nov 1 to now, @Lighter_xyz has generated $29.4m in fees. Hyperliquid has done $137m, and Aster has done about $75m. Using these ratios, $LIT would be valued at $6.2bn vs $HYPE fees/FDV, and $2.75bn if you use $ASTER fees/FDV. Why is $ASTER ratio so much cheaper? Because they only direct 60-90% of fees back to tokenholders vs 97% for $HYPE (amongst many other reasons obviously). People seem to hate when I imply that a monthly $80-100m worth of Lighter points is artificially inflating their metrics in an unsustainable way, so even if we assume volume/fees keep up at this rate post TGE (🤣), and we assume the high end of buyback % at 70% (dual equity/token structure makes even this optimistic), $LIT most optimistic case scenario would be ~$5bn. I've gone into great detail why even that is incredibly unrealistic. Polymarket IS inherently flawed for FDV estimates because of the fact that some people are using it to hedge their airdrop which adds a negative skew to bets. Also that exact market expires as worthless if $LIT doesn't launch by 12/31, so there were some people taking that into account as well. As it becomes much more likely that $LIT does launch by EOY, that discount is likely decreasing significantly. There's definitely fundamental reasons why Polymarket and OTC points markets might be 10%, even 20% discounted (illiquidity, hedging, collateral inefficiency etc). But this ain't it.
Eugene Bulltime.🕯️@Eugene_Bulltime

Why Polymarket is wrong about Lighter's valuation Polymarket predicts a Lighter valuation of approximately $3 billion with $23 million in total volume, which is very high. But if you look at the market, you'll see some fundamental inconsistencies. Let's take a closer look. --------- I used a ratio that evaluates the FDV/TVL ratio. TVL is one of the most important metrics for any exchange, both PerpDEX and CEX, indirectly determining the level of trust in the protocol and is more stable than OI. That's why ratios based on it are highly accurate. For example, Hyperliquid's FDV/TVL ratio is 6.64, the highest among PerpDEX exchanges, representing the current leader. However, the ratios of other market players are close, in the range of 5-6. For example, Aster and Apex. Avantis stands out against this backdrop with a valuation of 2.59. We can also estimate the current fair value for some tokenless PerpDEXs - Ostium and Reya. Ostium recently closed a $20M round at a valuation of $250M with a TVL of ~$50M. While this isn't a market valuation, many large VC investors have supported the project, confirming that the current FDV/TVL ratio of 5 is the market average. Similarly, Reya raised $3M in its ICO on Coinlist with a TVL of $30M and a valuation of $50M. The sale closed successfully with 4,000 investors. This can also be considered a fair valuation, with some caveats. These case studies confirm that an FDV/TVL ratio of 5 is a fair market ratio. ---------- Why the coefficients for some PerpDEXs shouldn't be considered 1. Drift - A Solana-based PerpDEX with many other DeFi products in its ecosystem. Solana has little popularity in the PerpDEX space among its users, most of whom are meme-oriented. 2. Jupiter - Same as Drift, but with an even larger scale of products, making it difficult to separate the PerpDEX component of their valuations. 3. dYdX and GMX - ex-leading older PerpDEXs with numerous technical and business issues. These projects have fallen by the wayside of the current PerpDEX trend. 4. MYX - fake metrics and an artificial created valuation resulting in an FDV/TVL of 106. ---------- Fair valuation of Lighter I determined that the average FDV/TVL is 5. Based on this, we can predict that Lighter's valuation should be: $1.45B * 5 = $7.26B But this is only the current valuation. The launch of spot trading will add an additional TVL. - Polymarket values ​​Lighter's TGE at $3B - The team stated that they would distribute 25%-30% for point farming This means that $750M - $900M will enter the market. LIT will most likely be issued as an ERC-20 token, rather than directly into exchange balances like HYPE. This means that 40%-60% will go to Lighter spot, adding at least $400M-$500M, and Lighter's TVL will approach $2B. Because of this, the LIT valuation based on the new data should be: $2B * 5 = $10B. If we apply the HL coefficient to Lighter, its valuation will be $13.2B. P.S. It is very important that LIT go to Lighter and not other CEXs. I'm sure the team has already developed mechanics for this, which we will learn about in the coming weeks. --------- My another analysis confirms that Lighter's valuation should be in the $10B-$12B range. Anything below is buy and hold, IMO. Not Financial Advice

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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@munchPRMR Audience traders is mainly in Asia; great UI/UX though (better than top perp dexes)
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munch@munchPRMR·
How does EdgeX even make this much money? Idk anyone that trades on it, and open interest is less than both Lighter and Aster while doing more fees… Is it just like incredibly expensive to trade there?
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@Henrik_on_HL What sharpe decline ? Relative OI vs CEXes and other perp dexes are steady
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Henrik@Henrik_on_HL·
Hyperliquid has seen: > a sharp decline in OI since 10/10, with no recovery > a sharp decline in daily fees, including days below $1M in fees like today > competitors emerging with deep liquidity and lower fees taking away market share from HL (Lighter, Extended, Variational, Aster) > 609,100 $HYPE sold via OTC by 10 team member wallets (offloaded to flowdesk) > team members with different unlock schedules and limited transparency around them > constant TWAP-selling pressure over the past few weeks > the MON ticker given to Monad, despite another team having purchased it > HyperEVM TGEs being jeeted to zero instantly > people waiting for DATs to provide exit liquidity, which is rarely happening > no transparency about the 43% remaining community allocation Hyperliquid
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@Derivatives_Ape Those are just the early days. You don't remember that first months on trading perps on coins on HL; 400-500% funding rate was considered normal. As more MMs plug in; this will normalize
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Derivatives Monke@Derivatives_Ape·
Perps on equities doesn't work btw. 1) Paying 20% funding for an asset that goes up 10% per year on average is just dumb. 2) No dividends yielding that should be an extra 2-3% per year (while it sounds small, it still compounds up).
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gTrade | Gains Network 🍏
gTrade | Gains Network 🍏@GainsNetwork_io·
Core pairs on gTrade just got a major update: 💵 Fees cut from 6bps → 5bps across all chains and collaterals ⬆️ Max OI boosted on @Arbitrum $USDC pairs ⬇️ Counter trade fees down to 0.0125% on all core pairs ⚙️ v10.2 spreads up to 40% tighter Trade at gains.trade
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
Essentially because ADL is per symbol ie per market. Doesn’t take into account cross margin at all. I got ADLed on Binance on my shorts on LUNA, why my cross margin long positions were in the red. It’s very hard to design a cross margin ADL cross symbol. This is a risk that you need be awere of and that can occur in extreme scenarios (LUNA, FTX, today etc)
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Stablecoin Sean@seanlippel·
Great thread @0xdoug. How about how ADL should function on a platform when the user is running a long / short strategy.... Feels like there has to be a change then to how the ADL is performed, as not a single institutional player would participate with uncertainty of being ADL'd on its short and then being left naked long. Exactly what happened to me today on @HyperliquidX, where my short profits should've way outdone by long losses, but ADL closed my shorts at extremely high prices, leaving naked longs to get liquidated seconds after at ridiculous low arbitrary prices. To add insult to injury, it ADL'd shorts and even added stink bid longs I randomly had much lower on same names before liquidating everything. There is no way I can say Hype is institutionally ready after today. Happy to talk to @chameleon_jeff about it, when he admits the massive issue here.
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1/ Since a lot of people are waking up to see their perps positions closed and wondering what the hell “Auto-Deleveraging” means, here’s a quick and dirty primer. What is ADL? How does it work? And why does it exist?

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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@0xFinish @HyperliquidX Pre-markets have no oracle price and no liquidity. Hedging even with 2x leverage is extremely high risk. Same can be done on any platform.
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Finish 🏁@0xFinish·
just lost $185k USDC on @HyperliquidX $XPL pump No other exchange effected, only Hyperliquid Have been a massive fan of Hyperliquid, but this is pure manipulation added a ton of margin to stay safe and lost it all
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@0xBreadguy What's the main usage of TPS in a Blockchain? It's exchanges right (dexes & perp dexes). There is no point having any exchange built on top of HyperEVM when you have hyperCore already for that. HYPE should be seen as BNB competitor, not a L1 competitor.
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bread.mega@bread_·
Since this is riling people up and they don't understand the nuance; I drew pictures. I don't care that they share the same state—the raw capacity of HyperEVM means no builder will be able to permissionlessly create a successful consumer app in the eco until/unless it's enshrined into CORE beforehand. HyperEVM is not a threat to ~most high performance general purpose chains.
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bread.mega@bread_

People are overvaluing HyperEVM as an app ecosystem People are undervaluing HyperCORE as an app

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yieldfarming@delucinator·
Where does the yield come from? when I deposited (~10m tvl) it was approx. 30% apr from swap fees (spread), 30% from intentional liqs, 50% from trader losses first 2 diluted from tvl growth/forced liqs not efficient now, but wonder if more tvl = more stale liq = adverse fills
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@NMTD8 @cz_binance Not necessarly $10m loss. They would ADL their position logically (ADL ie give less profits to long traders). ADL is very normal in this scenario
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NMTD.HL@NMTD8·
Hyperliquid delisted $JELLY the moment Binance @cz_binance listed it. -$10M loss but at least we know who the malicious actors in the space are. Lots to learn for the HL team, I'm sure they will make HyperCore most robust after this.
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
@NMTD8 Most been farming funding
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NMTD.HL@NMTD8·
82% of traders on Hyperliquid are short $HYPE. 98.3% of these positions are in profit. When will they take profit and rotate into cheap spot HYPE? Hyperliquid.
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IncomeSharks@IncomeSharks·
One of the most common things I hear from teams when talking to them is how greedy and cold influencers are to them. It's usually 1 to 2% supply with the bigger ones demanding a six figure cash guarantee. If they don't pay they won't ever mention the project no matter how good it is. KOLs putting zero skin in the game but want their followers with less money than them pumping their risk free supply. Then they dump it, kill the chart, then go search the DMs for the next team desperate enough to play along. The teams get blamed for selling, people get mad at the charts, and really good products get dismissed because the chart isn't vertical. So then some teams decide to not pay them but then they end up getting getting the cold shoulder. Influencers and KOLs even go out of their way to never mention the project. Some so bitter they will soft FUD projects or try to get deals with competitors. It has been an obvious Pay to Play system where no matter the utility and value a team brings if you don't butter up the cabal it's extremely difficult to get accounts to mention. The worst part is teams can never speak up about this because if they drop the names of these KOLs then those people will spread FUD and drive prices lower. This year I'd love to see the power go back to investors and builders and not remain in the money hungry influencers hands. Again if they all claim to be so rich why are you essentially stiff arming projects for cash?
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Atlas@AtlasIsMe·
Your total cost of opening a position is not fees only; it's fees + price impact. If you open a $150k short on AAVE, you will pay : on gTrade 0.08% (fee) + 0.022% (price impact) = 0.097% of cost on hyperliquid 0.035% (fee) + 0.099% (price impact ) = 0.134% of cost even if it's a maker order, total cost is 0.109% so higher entry fees will soon be reduced
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Guthix 🫵@GuthixHL·
Looks like their top VIP tier is 0.048% on taker orders, which is 2x+ more expensive than HL's for == volume also clarifying the above that they won't let you open positions that would result in a <$4 fee. This is not as bad as far as optics, but even worse for the actual usage of the exchange that you can't even open small positions
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Guthix 🫵@GuthixHL·
Knew this was cropped really strangely lmfao Wouldn't want to scare the hoes with this 0.08% base fee tier Scanned the disc and it also looks like there's also a $4 minimum fee on closing orders that conveniently isn't listed anywhere in their docs? wtf ?
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Cryptham@cryptham

Tell me again how @HyperliquidX has the 'best' liquidity 50k USD @opentensor long -> @GainsNetwork_io on the left, HL on the right #gTrade with lower spread AND better execution price @GainsNetwork_io - the best place to trade alts $GNS $GMX $TAO $DYDX

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