Mr.Spaceman

@haderax1 @stankRat_ But PvE is also a big reason alot of people play the game at all, I know a group at my work place who exclusively plays Tarkov PvE

@stankRat_ I agree entirely with the sentiment that PvE has split the playerbase irreversibly. I would go as far as to say it was the most damaging thing to happen to the game aside from the cheating.

If PvE didn’t exist, splitting PvP between seasonal/non-seasonal PMCs with separate queues would not be an issue. But, PvE exists, and has significantly split the player-base; splitting PvP a second time is concerning. I think people aren’t realizing when the bulk of casuals gets frustrated dying on their seasonal PMC cuz they’re hard stuck using a small capacity MP5 with pst rounds, or cuz they hardly get any experience from tasks and it’s taking forever to level up their traders, they’ll stop running their seasonal PMC to run raids on their non-seasonal PMC; before, they had no choice, if they want to play tarkov, they return to the queue with everyone else, but now they’re given options which may result in seasonal lobbies becoming quieter, faster. Hope I’m wrong. If seasonal content greatly incentives players to keep queueing their seasonal PMC, this won’t be an issue. If it’s just an achievement, and a couple of new tasks, it won’t be enough. Also, may need to change how we prestige; if Kappa is still required, change some tasks gatekeeping casuals, e.g., Test Drive 1-3, from PMCs to targets; change Insomnia PMC count to 10, from 25; remove shooter 8 and psycho sniper from kappa requirement. Gotta incentivize casuals to keep grinding for kappa instead of them dropping out after they hit level 2, and level 4, traders.

@haderax1 As long as we get mas that force close engagements, this is what its gonna be

If I don't like double barrel meta, should I just stop playing marathon? Or is there any world where Bungie actually removes or nerfs these things to the point that it won't be used by every single team in the game? Looking at destiny, I'd assume this is just how it's gonna be.

@SpaceRaven3109 Baby's first gold is the DRRVSH??

BABY'S FIRST GOLD!!!!!!!!!!

@Byrdman Um, why is so much marathon art coming up as 'made with AI'?

@meFossa @VileFate Being satirical doesn't help a conversation. Nor does making assumptions about what I think. Ofc guns, gear and mats are loot. But its dumb to say "I picked this up so its loot". As ive said before, Cryo Archive is 'raid like' and can easily be comparable to a Cod EE

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate You’re right, these are mechanics and are way different than anything you’d loot.

I just cant believe the "raid-like" mechanics in Marathon that Bungie teased ending up being "interact with 3 monitors with the same symbol". I knew that marketing Cryo as a "raid-like" thing was a bait (it wouldnt work in this genre) but I still expected something more than that

@meFossa @VileFate Some by killing boss', some by finding them in rooms, some by using a keycard to get a code. In Zombies I dont say "I looted the summoning key" for my EE step

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate How do you acquire these items?

@HistoryWaffle @warlock248 @VileFate Winning a race doesn't make your definition the end all. If the creators state they're 'raid like' and they certainly are raid like, then thats it. Not to downplay winning such things as they are massive feats of accomplishment.

@warlock248 @VileFate @ImMrSpaceman 3*, forgot about epic desert

@DecimatorDrew @VileFate Yes its cherry picking but they never stated that the CA mechanics would rival raiding, just 'raid-like' mechanics, which I'd argue we do see, granted having to blend losing gear and PvP I'd argue CA is harder then a large majority of Exotic Missions, not speaking on quality.

I mean Vault was created 12 years ago and RoN was a result of people getting their nuts kicked in by Vow of the Disciple. I get what you’re saying but you’re kind of just cherry picking the three most unimpressive raids out of 11 going back to D1. When I hear “Raid like mechanics” I think VoW, SE, DP, etc.

@meFossa @VileFate A battery, security card, and coolant arent loot cause its a core part of the map, same as the outpost Keycards. They only serve the purpose of being used as mechanical items, no exfilling them, selling, ext.

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate Right. In the same way guns aren’t loot because you need them to fight. Or mats aren’t loot because you need them for upgrades. So what makes them not loot again?

@DecimatorDrew @VileFate I'd argue the mechanics are 2x what RoN or Vog are, hell, WotM. All of these have very surface level mechanics, which, took longer to do all vaults and boss then these raids clears

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate It’s not bad but it’s also not “raid level” mechanics. Or hell, even some dungeon level mechanics. It’s like saying the exotic mission for the Praxic Blade is the same as Salvations Edge. lol. Just call it what it is and not raid level.

Rook Mains are not messing around in Marathon 💀 🎨Render by: @SiegeOC This is NOT made with AI. Fix your app @X

@Lucky_N00dle @VileFate Every single item i listed and more are needed to open up vaults in marathon, each being done in different ways. Antumbra, pentumbra, operator, scanner, Relic, ext are all 'buzzwords' for things in various raids.

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate Bro said “fetch a bunch of buzzwords” and called it a raid

@DecimatorDrew @VileFate 70% of d2 exotic missions are stand on thing or shoot thing, let alone in destiny you are not nearly as threatened as in marathon. 1: is it bad if they are around exotic mission mechanic difficulty? 2: Can *you* explain to me how to do V6 and V7 if they're that simple?

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate Bro, there’s more complexity in Destiny exotic missions. Lol.

@MayorReynoldsTV @MarathonTheGame (Can't play ranked, but fully understand how it works) Cryo archive every day, being able to load in and have straight avenues to loot I'd amazing, with a nice amount of depth

Now that both Cryo Archive and Ranked are available in @MarathonTheGame, which activity do you like better and why?

@meFossa @VileFate These are all different items needed to open different vaults, not 'loot'

@ImMrSpaceman @VileFate So like… loot? You’re offering this up as the defense?

@VileFate I agree they aren't super in depth but they certainly aren't a nothing burger worth of stuff. If I had to compare them to anything it'd be Cod Zombies EE level of stuff.

@ImMrSpaceman These aren't raid mechanics, its a glorified scavenger hunt that requires little to no thought from the players. "Raid-like mechanics" implies some sort of execution in tandem between players to achieve some task at hand. I wouldn't classify gathering items on the map as that.

@Byrdman SHOW US THE LOOT

Finally did my first Cryo clear

Hit me with all of your thoughts/feedback on Marathon Ranked & Cryo Archive. Good, bad, random, anything.

@TeioStreams If you end up getting it hmu!

@ImMrSpaceman I was a mediocre-at-best Tarkov and The Cycle player so I am prepared for that lol

Every day I’m more and more tempted to buy Marathon.