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Clinging to the phrase "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman" is to tacitly admit that you can think of nothing that trans women share in common with natal females.

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@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT What the fuck does that mean "internal sense of self aligns with their perception of femininity"? What would it for mean for it not to align? What's "femininity" in this case? Why 'align' vs say, 'is'?

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Alright. I suppose a good way to rephrase it is that I'm saying that a woman is an adult person whose internal sense of self aligns with their perception of femininity.

The fact there is a vtuber going viral for being transphobic and racist rn is crazy. They just quote retweeted this too. Girl for real said trans women aren’t women and also said fuck Indians?? So imma do the opposite and remind y’all that trans women are women. Other people’s genitals shouldn’t matter to you. Unless you’re interacting with them directly. Me being born with a pussy doesn’t make me suddenly more valid than a trans person. Also being brown is awesome. The bar is in hell for being a nice person.

Obviously it is invalid because it misrepresents Hirst while insisting it is an implication of her argument. You should add "bad faith" to the list of words you do not understand. But here it is, laid out explicitly. If Hirst said "woman is a gender term" THEN you could argue that Hirst's position that "gender" is a polite synonym for sex implies what you claim. But, as Hirst does not affirm that premise, therefore your assertion that her position implies that is false. For assessing the internal consistency and implications of Hirst's argument it does not matter whether you think the additional premises are true, it matters whether Hirst does.

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT It's backed by science but it is not science, and therefore it is invalid? Cya dude, youre either too dumb, too bad faith or both for me to continue talking to. Have a good day.

It may or may not be the result of scientific investigations, in this case it obviously is not. You are indeed enamoured by the argument from authority. But regardless, it should all be entirely possible to explain what the scientific observations that lead to this conclusion, what it is, exactly, that they "study all day" that lends them authority in this assertion or justifies their conclusion. So, granting, arguendo, that this is properly referred to as a "scientific source", enemies again: what is the science that underpins it? What empirical observations convinced Standford, and presumably you, of this being the correct definition?

@NoRedText @redfollowsred @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Youre saying a university medical website isnt a scientific source? Because that would be really silly to try and claim.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT You did not comprehend the criticism levelled at you. Read it again.

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT If you read further youll see I also realize that me being wrong about this intersex condition does not disprove the point I made that trans woman are women.

So... you don't know how arguments work? And saying "ahhh yes, but I am right" does not make your argument any better, you are still misrepresenting Hirst. The entire task of the gender ideologue is to convince others 1. That there is such a thing as "gender" at all. 2. That terms such as "woman" refer to whatever "genders" are. You have done neither, and your assertions about implications are simply false. That is not an implication of Hirst's position. You have not backed it with any science at all, a definition in a glossary is not "science" it MAY be backed by science but it is not, itself science. You, however, cannot even in principle explain what sort of scientific observations might lead to such a conclusion. It's also pretty rich for you to start talking about science given your already appalling track record regarding DSDs.

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I dont care if random people on Twitter agree when all relevant science on the matter backs up the point. I made the argument, I backed ut up with science, now its on you to try and base your counterpoint in something substantial or concede you dont have anything.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Obviously.

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT What exactly are you having trouble with? Do you want me to rephrase my definition?

No, it is not. Again, what is it that they are "studying every single day," specifically? The very point is that they have no justification to make such pronouncements. The argument from authority is the appeal to Standford's say so, and concluding that it is "scientitic" on that basis. It's utter nonsense.

@NoRedText @redfollowsred @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Stanford, my b. Its Stanford med, not Harvard. And yeah, Id say its scientific since it comes from people who study this every day. Do you know what an argument from authority is? Because it isnt when someone backs up a scientific claim with relevant science.

The fact that you were so catastrophically wrong about something you thought was a meaningful argument in favour of your position either behoves you to concede that your position is weak or your arguments were dishonest, and do not motivate your own conclusions. Also, it was always clear to YOU that you didn't know what you were talking about, having no particular knowledge. So, again, why were you attempting to lecture about the issue?

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I dont know, that was really stupid of me. I did concede I was wrong about this condition later on.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT No one else agrees with this assertion. Hence insisting this is an implication of Hirst's position is nonsense. It is an implication ONLY if Hirst asserts that "woman" is a "gender term" which she does not. That is all you.

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Yeah, "woman" isnt a sex. Its a gender term. That's what ive been arguing thos entire time, that sex and gender are linked but theyre different concepts.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT This doesn't help. What are you trying to say?

@NoRedText @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT "In psychology, a schema is a cognitive framework or concept that helps organize and interpret information. Simply put, a schema describes patterns of thinking and behavior that people use to interpret the world." This is the source I'm quoting share.google/FO51OFbc0nrqIW…

@v_tark @redfollowsred @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT It is neither Harvard nor a scientific source. Again, what was the scientific observation that lead to this conclusion? Do you even understand the question or are enamoured by the argument from authority?

@NoRedText @redfollowsred @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT This is Harvard med dude. This is a scientific source.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Your niece*

No, the logic suggests no such thing: you are projecting additional premises that no one else shares. Seemingly that "woman" is a referred to by "gender" but Hirstv only says that sex and "gender" are synonyms. A female cat and your believe are both female. "Woman" however, is not a sex, even if its meaning is derived from the female sex. Not all logical relationships are directly symmetrical, and the relationship between set and subset is one such asymmetry.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT This does not follow. You are assuming the existence of premises that Hirst does not affirm.

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT But you said sex = gender, so anything with the sex female would be a woman by your logic. Not an "adult human female". That's contradictory. That's not what my Yale source says. Take a look, it describes the differences of sex vs gender. The terms are not interchangeable.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Why are you attempting to argue about something you clearly don't know anything about?

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Im inclined to believe that that is a different thing, since this specific condition is associated with females. Plus, De la Chappelle isn't listed as another name for this condition, which would be a really weird thing for a page created by the NIH to omit if it were the case.

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT No idea what you mean by "gender" for it to be the same is something else. It appears to be an entirely unnecessary term.

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I once again dont give a shit how theyre used "politely". This is a scientific discussion so Im going about it scientifically. Let me rephrase my prior question then: do you believe that sex and gender, in science, are the same thing?

@v_tark @SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT Sure, what in god's name are you trying to say?

@SianHerfield @AndrewLBC1 @raeallie01 @kangminlee @aliciaxlifeVT I didnt say they were identifying as female. I said their identity aligns with their schema on the female sex. Do you want me to define schema?