@brooklynnets85 There's no more "most" incentive, they're all the same. That's the whole point. Now teams can play to win again.
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Thomas Patterson
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Not a single team won under 20 games the year before they flattened odds so this is a complete lie
Alex Lawson@alexlawson2001
@brooklynnets85 The Process Sixers were the canary in the coal mine—eight teams a year would be winning four games all season if they didn’t flatten them
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@brooklynnets85 Yes, that's why flattening the odds takes out the incentive to lose entirely. The losing mentality among GM's was outpacing the flattening.
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@brooklynnets85 They started tanking more because GM’s got smarter and didn’t care about winning.. not because of the flattening.
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@brooklynnets85 Can't compare now to 7 years ago. GM's/Owners have become completely okay with not trying for 82 games in recent years. Flattening the odds eliminates that garbage.
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@MikeBartner Forcing current players to play hard for future roster is the most gimmicky ideas of all.
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Not sure I’ve seen a single NBA pundit suggest the Gold Plan (once eliminated from playoffs, wins count towards lottery odds) to solve tanking and it’s quite remarkable.
By comparison all solutions I’ve seen are dogshit.
Btw I don’t think the NHL needs a change, tanking ain’t really a thing unless there’s a generational talent.
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@yyzsportsmedia The smart, admired franchise icon route is working in Philly with Jones.
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Mats, Tie & Robert’s on my charity team, I’d be very excited . Leading the leafs? Sounds like a Ballard move.
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@DParkOK It was a lost season because they didn’t try to win from the jump.
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There’s tons of people operating under the assumption players were sat ONLY to help draft odds.
Why would you play Pascal Siakam 82 games in a lost season? You’re not strong-arming anyone into making that decision.
Damien Peters@DamienPetersNBA
Another byproduct of the tanking rules will be post All-Star break there will be a cluster of teams who know they cant make the playoffs, but also know they wont fall into the relegation zone. At that point it also doesn’t make any sense for them to play their better players in the second half of the season and it’s better to put their young guys in for reps. At that point the product will suffer too. Only this time it won’t be the worst three-four teams in each conference that number will be higher.
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@DParkOK Maybe to encourage competitive play across the league at all times. What a wild concept.
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I don’t understand why two Playoff teams can get the No. 1 pick
NBACentral@TheDunkCentral
Here’s how the new lottery odds will look: (h/t @LevAkabas )
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@McCannSportsLaw How’s the Wizards/Hornets 15 year rebuild been going with the current system?
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This *might* discourage tanking, but it might also make it harder for bad teams to rebuild. Fans of those teams have long seen high draft picks as a reason for hope and a reason to keep watching games on TV and keep buying tickets. Lose some of those fans, lose some revenue, too.
Lev Akabas@LevAkabas
The NBA's proposed lottery odds reform, visualized ⬇️
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@JoshReynolds24 @etrain1234 That’s awesome for that team if they win the lottery. Super exciting for the fanbase.
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@etrain1234 Within 3 years of this, a play-in team will get the 1st pick & all hell will break loose
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Seeing the new NBA lottery proposal like this just makes it even worse… It’s so bad it’s almost comical lmao
I truly cannot believe that this is actually being considered. Baffled. Blown away. Speechless.
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@ToolmanTA @RealDCunningham They better figure out how to draft & develop well with their lottery picks then.
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@TPatty89 @RealDCunningham The thing is when you have actual relegation then the relegated teams get replaced by new teams which may or not be better than the relegated team
If you keep the same teams in the league and they get bad lottery luck then odds are they will be even worse the next season lol
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The NBA should have just gone back to the old lottery rules. There are always going to be bad teams, and punishing those bad teams for being bad is silly. The issue is teams that would rather have the ninth-worst record than compete for a play-in spot because the chance to jump up in the draft is too high.
Giving the team with the ninth-worst record a 20.9% chance of moving into the top four instead of a 6.1% chance to move into the top three is what the actual issue has been. The new system that was proposed isn't going to do anything to change this. Teams will still try and manipulate their odds instead of trying to compete. Bad teams just are going to stay bad for longer, which is the same issue that the previous reform had.
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@StephNoh It’s a brilliant system. Forces all teams to win games, competitive 1-30. No more handouts to inept operations. Bottom 3 in Euro soccer, get out of the league.
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The NBA's tanking reform is akin to breaking a few hundred eggs to make an omelet. Why the plan is a disaster-in-waiting:
sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/an…
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@KevinOConnor It's too far up the board for this year's 76ers/Blazers to care about their lottery balls. Solid enough teams to focus on winning games and improving on court.
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My main concern with the NBA’s new lottery proposal: There is a cliff between each tier.
If you’re a 9th or 10th seed, you might rather be one of the 7th non play-in teams for greater odds. If you’re the 7th or 8th seed, you might rather be in the 9th or 10th slot for double the odds. If you’re the 5th or 6th seed, you might rather get in the play-in.
The winners of those play-in games get the 7th seed and a zero percent chance in the lottery. The loser gets a chance to still make the playoffs and a 2.7% chance at the top pick, an 8% chance at the top 3, a 15% chance at the top 5, a 35% chance at the top 10, and a 100% chance at the top 16. That seems like a significantly better outcome.
Kevin O'Connor@KevinOConnor
The NBA’s new lottery proposal is a move in the right direction. The bottom of the standings are about to become an uncomfortable place to live on purpose. Good. It should be. New column on @YahooSports: sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/th…
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@LevAkabas The increased tanking is simply from rational GM's becoming smarter and don't care about winning. The flattening of the odds has to outpace the losing mentality.
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I like aspects of the NBA anti-tanking proposal, but I'm wary of flattened lottery odds, since flattening the odds in 2019 actually led to more tanking
An 8.1% chance at the No. 1 pick for the 11-seed seems like a strong incentive to do exactly what the Bulls did this year
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@robpizzola The Seahawks won 2 playoff games and made the Superbowl. Relative to league size.
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Everyone hating on this but nobody wants to talk about the fact that under the current format you can win ONE playoff game and be in the Grey Cup. That's embarrassing. Give me more playoff games, a harder path to a championship, and more revenue for a league that desperately needs it.
Bruce Arthur@bruce_arthur
A fairly shameless, and possibly ridiculous, money grab. Eight of nine teams make the playoffs, which has to be a pro sports record of some kind. Hope CFL players like playing a maximum of 22 regular-season and playoff games.
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@McCannSportsLaw SGA 11th, Jokic 2nd rd, Giannis 15th, Steph 7th. It’s called draft and develop better.
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At what point does the quest to stop tanking undermine NBA draft's core rationale: enable weaker teams to acquire better players?
NBA turned to draft order based on inverse record to discourage team dynasties, so fans of bad teams had hope—and would buy tickets and watch on TV.
Shams Charania@ShamsCharania
The NBA has disclosed to its 30 GMs a singular new anti-tanking reform that expands the draft lottery to 16 teams, flattens odds, and have a relegation zone where the bottom 3 teams are penalized with fewer lottery balls for the No. 1 pick. ESPN details: espn.com/nba/story/_/id…
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@McCadeP8 Ask the current Magic how they’d handle it. Mid-tier teams won’t care about an extra lottery ball lol.
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Why would anyone want to win in the play-in now. I misread earlier, it’s the 7-8 game that makes no sense.
Why be the 7-seed when you can potentially have a 15% chance at a top 5 pick from the 8-seed slot???
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@MZavagno11 Tanking was that bad not because of the flattening of odds. Teams just were smarter and didn’t care about optics. The odds weren’t flat enough.
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This point keeps being made.
The fact that tanking is this bad was created by the league flattening the lottery odds and changing the CBA with the new apron rules. Teams are properly reacting to the incentive structure that was created by the NBA
John D McPherson@JohnmyMacJr
@MZavagno11 Not worse than a quarter of the league attempting to lose games for a quarter of the season
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@realLatifLove The bottom 3 should actually be sent to the G league. Like Euro soccer. It’s called drafting and developing properly.
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Imagine the five worst teams in the league are competing in April not to finish in the bottom three, and the worst of the bunch finishes with the worst record… and then is penalized with worse odds for being the worst.
We're losing the plot.
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