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Reddit.com/user/TeluguFilmFile شامل ہوئے Ağustos 2024
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TeluguFilmFile
TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 Projecting much? Clearly you got triggered when I called you an "Islamo-leftist" because quite clearly you are one. Also thanks for the link. I always appreciate new resources from Islamo-leftists. (And clearly I have a sense of humor that you lack. Ask Allah for sense of humor.)
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Delman@dmontetheno1·
Interesting that there are hundreds of inscriptions in scripts like Safaitic but comparatively far fewer in Paleo-Arabic. Does this imply that literacy was less widespread, even if certain scribal schools with standardized practices existed?
Rashiq Shahzad@Rashiq__Shahzad

The historical narrative of pre-Islamic Arabia as a completely "illiterate" society is widely considered a myth by modern historians and epigraphers. Abundant physical, linguistic, and historical evidence proves that writing and literacy were widely practiced.

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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 Ok good... now find the tweets of other people to vomit your apologetics on. I will grant you this: you are a well-trained Islamo-leftist! After all, your Quran is Prof. Cole's book. You know just enough to sound intellectual while actually engaging in Islamo-leftist apologetics.
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Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 That is “besides the point” because I’m no longer interested in correcting you. But anyways, this tweet is an interesting, long-winded way of saying “no I haven’t read Cole’s work”. That’s all you needed to say. Thanks.
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 You seem to have already made up your mind. You are free to believe whatever you wish. And no, "that's" NOT "besides the point now." And btw I don't disagree with all of Prof. Cole's arguments. There's much in his book that I agree with (but those points are made by others too).
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Ilyas
Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 But that’s besides the point now. I am curious about one thing, and I’d like you to please answer truthfully — Did you read more than half his book? Be honest; it’s ok if you haven’t but I am interested to see if you’ll admit to at least this much.
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 You don't know what my beliefs are. But even if I believe in some God/Goddess, it's not a God/Goddess who curses like the Allah of Islamists. Jokes aside, I am not saying Muhammad never engaged in any ṣulḥ/aṣlaḥa. But many scholars think his other wars weren't defensive.
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Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 Also, before you leave could you swear on all your goddesses, Brahman and the entire Hindu pantheon that you read more than half of Cole’s work “Prophet of Peace”, and that if you are lying may their curse be upon you? Shouldn’t be too hard, right?
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@Siradhvaja @DevarajaIndra When will people get bored of making claims such as "X language is the 'mother' of Y language"? Isn't this topic (and type of claim) boring at this point? Silly.
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 It's not my problem if you fail to understand my proper responses to your questions. But if you want to treat Prof. Cole as Allah and his book as the Quran and if you wish to be his "Prophet of Peace," go ahead and do propaganda on his behalf. May Goddess grant you common sense!!
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Ilyas
Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 Ok so obviously you have not read his book where he judges the data and derives that conclusion; it’s not merely a claim. And you have yet to mention these “assumptions”. Again, you’re just speaking to speak. There’s no substance to what you are saying.
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Ilyas
Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 Alternatively, you can do us all a favour and say “I don’t know” to the question and save yourself the embarrassment of appearing as a charlatan.
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 He is the one who has made claims about Muhammad supposedly being a "Prophet of Peace." I am simply pointing out that his interpretations rely on unproven assumptions. Most secular scholars who have common sense and a critical mind don't make such claims because they lack agendas
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 His interpretations of the "data" (or rather selective "data") are not assumption-free. I already explained here: x.com/TeluguFilmFile…. Prof. Cole makes a lot of logical leaps using several assumptions that are not independent of his political leanings, which he is open about.
TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile

@jricole @dmontetheno1 It may very well be the case that Muhammad did engage in some acts of ṣulḥ and aṣlaḥa, but that doesn't mean that he at other times didn't engage in other activities that went against those principles of peace/settlement/reconciliation. An unbiased picture is far more nuanced

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Ilyas
Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 Why is it cringe-worthy that a scholar looks at the data and derives a conclusion that the Prophet is peaceful? What’s the issue here and how has his biases came to affect such a thesis? What precise piece of data is telling you “academics who say this stuff are cringe”?
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@iwiltrytobegood @jricole @dmontetheno1 I may not have the expertise to judge the whole field, but I do know that most secular scholars are unbiased enough that they don't elevate Muhammad to the status of a "Prophet of Peace." I'll tell you what's actually cringe-worthy: an "academic" calling Muhammad that in his book
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Ilyas@iwiltrytobegood·
@TeluguFilmFile @jricole @dmontetheno1 You’re quite literally too incompetent to judge the field or his works. You don’t know any Arabic, much less the literature or methodology regarding Quranic studies nor do you understand the late antique mileu. You’re unqualified and your confident ignorance is cringe-worthy.
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@jricole @dmontetheno1 It may very well be the case that Muhammad did engage in some acts of ṣulḥ and aṣlaḥa, but that doesn't mean that he at other times didn't engage in other activities that went against those principles of peace/settlement/reconciliation. An unbiased picture is far more nuanced
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@jricole @dmontetheno1 Prof. Cole, I am not going to take your class, so it doesn't really matter what grade you would give me on anything. But what I do know is that an unbiased scholar would not call Muhammad a "Prophet of Peace." That's an exaggeration that requires us to make many many assumptions.
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@jricole @dmontetheno1 Prof. Cole, it is good that you are unbiased regarding certain topics. I appreciate that, but I hope you also apply the same critical thinking and methodology for other topics as well, particularly those involving Muhammad, instead of falsely painting him as a "Prophet of Peace."
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Juan Cole
Juan Cole@jricole·
friend, paleo-Arabic only really emerged in around 500 CE, so there are only a century and a half worth of inscriptions in it before Umayyads, as opposed to likely 600 years of Safaitic. Plus the 'epigraphic habit' declined everywhere in Near East after 400 CE for unknown reasons. Safaitic inscriptions were graffiti by Bedouin so not really 'literacy.' Paleo-Arabic inscriptions seem to be by settled people who were part of a literate system in which orthographic rules were actively taught. In most pre-modern societies historians think literacy was around 5% before printing, but the society could still be a literate one if it underpinned institutions and practices. Some workers and peasants could puzzle out public signs. No systematic search for paleo-Arabic inscriptions has anyway been done. So you can't readily come to this conclusion. See ch 5 of my Rethinking the Qur'an in Late Antiquity
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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@The_Equationist @Ugrashravas I think for most people something like x.com/TeluguFilmFile… would suffice to understand how ridiculous that "decipherment" is.
TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile

@starhopperrr @yajnadevam Some of S. K. Venkatesan's "decipherments" are indeed funny, but do you know what's funnier? Any of the jokes produced by the Sanskrit "decipherer"! See x.com/kingkongfalls/…, x.com/kingkongfalls/…, x.com/kingkongfalls/…, x.com/kingkongfalls/…, & x.com/TeluguFilmFile….

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𑌉॒𑌗𑍍𑌰𑌶𑍍𑌰᳴𑌵𑌾𑌃
Hope @The_Equationist doesn't fall for these distractions and remains steadfast in pressing yd to show one (1) Sanskrit corpus with >95% a/ā
yajnadevam@yajnadevam

Many people are half-educated about frequencies. The comparanda presented in the QT show that he doesn't know how frequencies vary by text length, corpus size, inscription size, metrical vs inscriptional etc. Read this: yajnadevam.substack.com/p/phoneme-freq… Questions for @the_equationist who is presenting that he knows a thing or two about this: 1. What choice on the author's part is the biggest contributor to vowel frequency? 2. Surely, a bunch of seals wont have the same frequency as a metrical verse. What quantitative tests allow us to check if the ranges are within expectation?

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TeluguFilmFile@TeluguFilmFile·
@parjanyudu @Saatvata Would it be possible to do a conversational style recitation (in a way that would have been understood conversationally at the time of composition)?
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Perkʷunós@parjanyudu·
@Saatvata Oh yes, it would be ajá aíkapāt. I do agree /çr̩ɳau̯tu/ sounds like /sr̩ɳau̯tu/ with /ç/, perhaps why ś-s-ṣ merge later in MIA 🤔
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Perkʷunós@parjanyudu·
Rigveda 07.035 in restored meter and pitch accents with recitation, musical arrangement and production by @ Perquunos YT. Hymn of Universal Peace from Bronze Age India ♾️🕊️
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