@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 I'm sorry if you didn't mean it that way. Two of your posts seemed to imply it was their fault.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 I like how you're trying to twist it to make it look like I am a bad person, "justifying" violence against Mormons. I never said anything like that. I was Mormon for 38 years, far longer than I've been out. Wild.
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I learned about this as a teenager in seminary.
Every Latter-day Saint knows this. It’s not some big secret. 😂
Capturing Christianity@CapturingChrist
Did you know that an angel appeared to Joseph Smith 3 times commanding him to engage in polygamy? The final visit, the angel wielded a sword and said Joseph would be struck down if he didn't do it. Why haven't you heard this? Because Joseph Smith never told the public about it.
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 I don't remember the details on which names I knew back then, but yes, the church has always been clear that he was a polygamist. Try to find me any manual or magazine that says otherwise. I'm sorry your Sunday School teacher was wrong or tried to soften it for kids.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 So you had heard the names Fanny Alger or Hellen Kimball? Or knew Eliza R. Snow was one of his polygamist wives?? Or the Partridge sisters? You were taught, without a doubt Joseph was a polygamist? That is wild. I never was taught any of that stuff. Door left open, but not...
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 The violence had nothing to do with that. Justifying violence against a religious minority is a bad look.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 If so, do you admit that was an affair/cheating, and not polygamy?
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 I'm telling you, that isn't the case. The church's public position was Joseph was a polygamist. It was an important part of their claims to being the correct branch after the schism.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 That is the church's position now. Not what it was in the 80's and 90's. They down played Joseph's polygamy to almost non-existence. They left the door open, but never gave any details about anyone other than Emma.
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 I'm sorry your teachers were wrong. I'm just saying the church position, quite strongly, was that Joseph was a polygamist. They were kicked out of a whole state before polygamy even started.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 One could argue that all the violence against Mormons could be traced back to polygamy and/or shady business dealings (land, Kirtland Ant-Banking, etc.). But I am telling you what I was taught, and I won't be gaslit. That is why I left after reading the GTE'S, and footnotes.
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 The violence against members of the church certainly didn't start with polygamy, and it wasn't the only reason he was killed. I don't remember anyone saying it was over lies, but it was a long time ago.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 So why was Joseph martyrd, as taught to you in the 90's? I was taught he burned the Navoo Expositor printing press and building down because they printed lies about him as an adulterer and polygamist. And that ultimately got him to Carthage. If he was a polygamist, what lies?
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 I'm sorry that you felt that way. Wasn't my experience in Utah in the 90s. Polygamy is an uncomfortable topic for some people and they may have tried to minimize it. Problems of a lay ministry, but the "church" ad an entity always said Joseph was a polygamist.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 Pointed out as God foreseeing things, like the trek, and that is why God gave the revelation. It was "emphasized" as a "seeing around coners" type thing...
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 I really have no idea how you could never know about it. Brigham famously had 56 kids, did you think these were from old women? Polygamy is a major part of church history. Joseph didn't live with his wives, we don't which, if any, he has sex with.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 Well, I am telling you how I was taught in Portland OR in the late 90's, early 2000's. They said he might have. That Brigham did, but was not for sex, was to take care of the widows and old women, on the trek. And that it was good that JS has the DC 132 Revelation.
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@JustinWStapley I'm never voting for anyone who still supports Trump at this point. If your standards are this low I can trust your judgement on anything.
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The same folks who told me "don't let perfect be the enemy of the good" when it comes to plugging noses and voting for Democrats are telling me that Rubio can't be supported because he didn't light his hair on fire and offer his political career upon the altar of anti-Trumpism.
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 Even in the 90s the church never questioned Joseph's polygamy. Find my any official source saying he "might have." The church published affidavits from the widows. They wanted to prove Joseph did it because others were claiming (and some still are) that Brigham started it.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 The 90's were a different time. There was nothing taught about any spouse other than Emma. It was said that he could've practiced polygamy, but he got the revelation in DC 132, and it was good, so men could take care of widows and old maids to get to UT on foot. Before the WWW.
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 What era are we talking about here? Ever since Utah they have been very clear about Joseph being a polygamist. It was part of the argument over which branch was correct after his death. It is still unclear on exactly who he married, and what those marriages entailed.
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@TestName8832 @RykerJackson97 Technically, they never said he wasn't, they said he might've been, but there wasn't enough historical data to say for certain. But then quoted his "I can see only one line," saying Emma was his only wife we're certain of, since he declared that publicly.
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@Sloanius @RykerJackson97 What? The church never claimed Joseph wasn't a polygamist. It was a big point of contention in the early Utah days. So much so that they got signed affidavits from his wives.
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@RykerJackson97 I learned about this too, but it was an anti-mormon lie, just like Joseph's polygamy. Then they would quote his public denial of being accused of having seven wives, but he can find only one (Emma).
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@BWWings But there has to be a rule that if you order nachos to share, one person can’t just eat all the fully loaded nachos.
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Bottomless Apps are $9.99 for your group, not per person
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@cosmosadderall Getting married was one of the best decisions I made. Pell grant money. My grades went way up because dating took more time than being married.
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Me with all my Pell Grant money once I got married
Andy Sweeney@TheOnlySweeney
Tyran Stokes getting adjusted to college life ❤️🔥
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Mormons are really smart in how they do things.
They invented a "draft" that forces travel, socialization, leaving home, and development of openness at the critical moment of life.
Θωμᾶς del Vasto@Thomasdelvasto_
I think one of the biggest parts of the Mormon secret sauce is the mission trips acting as a rite of passage It’s crucially important for young people to have a sharp line between childhood and adulthood
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@ToddLlewellyn My father was an appliance repairman and had similar stories. But all you did was (flip the breaker, change one part, clean it out) why is it so much?
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There was once a boiler that nobody could fix. Multiple people came to look at it. Nobody could solve the issue.
An old plumber came out, hit the boiler with his hammer in a precise spot and it immediately started working.
He gave them an invoice for $1000.
The owner asked him for an itemized invoice.
It was as follows:
$100- hit boiler with hammer
$900- knowing where to hit the boiler
FourPlex Guy Carlos Gonzalez@dig_deeper1
An HVAC technician told me “Knowledge is power, that’s why I charge this much to diagnose the problem and fix it. “You’re paying me a very high premium because of the knowledge I posses” his diagnostic price was $200. That’s besides the service call of $100 plus the actual cost to repair the AC, say $400 to install a capacitor. Then it got me thinking 🤔 Say you don’t have health insurance You make an appointment to go to a Dr an MD because you feel ill and and you pay $90 for a consultation and then they give you a diagnosis and they they prescribe you medicine that cost $30 on the pharmacy without prescription insurance. Dr is making $90 while the technician is making $200 for a diagnosis Something is wrong with the HVAC industry, lots of private capital is coming in and taking advantage of the situation, capitalism 100%. “You’re paying for the knowledge” I keep hearing this in the hvac industry. Please… HVAC owners make more than Drs. Very interesting observation
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@PackageGuy747 @stackerco What is your question? Are you seeking to understand or to tear others down?
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@stackerco The church says you can question everything. No, you cannot. They will throw the book at you.
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These excommunications don’t sit well with me.
Probably because they hit close to home. I’ve said similar things and maybe even more against the church. But I don’t have a big enough audience for anyone to care and I remain anonymous.
Many will wonder why you’d care to be exed of you don’t believe? But it’s not that simple.
If I was excommunicated, it would be extremely damaging to my family, my business, my kids’ friendships, their sports teams, etc. I’d have to move out of state and start new.
This really is an exile from a community and a scarlet letter more than just a belief system.
The church says excommunication is about repentance. No. It’s a scarlet letter.
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@OAmKorAr @Empty_America @Jbn3ex Minimum age for the men changed from 19 to 18 in 2012, so more go before a year or two of college now. Max age for men is 25, but most are on the lower side of the range.
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@TestName8832 @Empty_America @Jbn3ex Wow, is there a max age? For some reason everyone I knew did it after 2 years of college
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@Tower_Overwatch @dampajoo1 @Empty_America I believe you. I know it is around here. Wasn't sure if it was worldwide and couldn't find any newer stats.
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@Empty_America @Thomasdelvasto_ This actually comes from the Puritan practice of "sending away", it is functionally and genealogically the exact same practice, just obviously different in manners of form and context, look into it if it interests you, so much stuff written about the practice and why they do it
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