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@clacefoth

Conservative. Florida RN

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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@Bunagayafrost Won't have to be an obvious mass genocide. Just keep promoting low birth rate policies. Turn the population into sedentary stoned couch potatoes hooked on digital media, and they'll be content with subsistence UBI. Add abortion, homosexuality, trans, toxic food. Soft depop.
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Bunagaya
Bunagaya@Bunagayafrost·
AGI. Mass unemployment. RSI. ASI. Abundance. Aging solved. "The powerful will genocide the plebs rather than pay UBI." People laugh and tell me it's naive to think otherwise. But ask yourself: would you want to be that guy? 1000 years from now, fancy dinner overlooking the planet. Someone turns to you: "so you're the one who killed 7.5 billion people because you thought the Georgia Guidestones were clever?" Awkward. And that's your reputation for the rest of time. They'll just pay the UBI. These people read history books too. Nobody wants to one-up Hitler, Stalin, and Mao to be remembered as the ultimate genocider when there was enough for everyone and so much more.
Bunagaya@Bunagayafrost

Problem: Mass AI unemployment Solution: UBI No brainer, right? Anti-UBI arguments I've encountered: 1) Look at history, there's always new jobs - Imagine if a more superior intelligent alien species that can make infinite copies of themselves arrived in 1850 to compete against you in the labor market. They work for energy undercutting wages. how would that have played out? 2) AI sucks now so it'll never happen - Current capabilities are not future capabilities. 3) AI will never exceed human capabilities, so no mass unemployment - Current models already exceed humans at many tasks. The human brain proves that human-level general intelligence runs on 20 watts. We're not waiting for a physics breakthrough, we're engineering toward a known target. Extrapolate the trajectory. 4) There will always be human jobs, bc AI doesn't have agency - You don't need agency to do tasks. 5) Cost of compute give 20watt brain a competitive advantage - For a while. 6) Why not expand existing welfare or do a new narrow welfare to address it rather than UBI? - Unemployment never recovers and only expands. It's just easier to hand everyone the same amount from the get go. 7) We can retrain people to do new jobs! - If AI can replace almost all human jobs, it can do almost any new jobs that are created. 8) UBI kills motivation. People need meaning in life. - Retirees and kids seem alright. There's more to life than trading labor for resources to survive. 9) The government will just let us starve. - People will revolt. 10) The powerful will kill all the useless people - ...like why? There's enough for everyone. 11) But what if mass AI unemployment never materialize? - No UBI then. 12) But how do you pay for it? - Printer go brrr. Print money, don't worry about the debt. If the AI is smart enough to replace human workers, money will essentially become worthless soon, because the AI will be capable of making ever better AIs. So you just need UBI to get over the transitionary period until everything is essentially free. 13) But this is communism! - Not really, but i do see the similarities. It's just a new paradigm. Communism fails because people are imperfect. AI will essentially be as perfect as any intelligence can ever get. 14) But inflation will be insane! - Automation will be deflationary. You need something to off-set it, so printing money and distributing via UBI is a balancing act. 15) But there will always be jobs. It just won't be necessary jobs like maintaining infrastructure or producing energy. - Sure. People can do whatever they want unshackled from the labor extracting economic incentives. >But what if bad people control AI and do bad things to us? - How does a lesser intelligence control a vastly more superior intelligence?

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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@davidpattersonx Why would the ruling AI/Robotics aristocracy support a luxurious life of leisure for billions of useless eaters when their labor is no longer needed for anything?
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David Scott Patterson
David Scott Patterson@davidpattersonx·
I understand how the economy works, and I know the impact that AI will have on the economy. Ask me anything.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@GroypSoldier69 @Bowtiedplayer The AI/Robotics oligarchy won't care. They'll be able to make whatever THEY need. No purpose whatsoever in sustaining a population of billions of useless eaters.
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Groyp Soldier
Groyp Soldier@GroypSoldier69·
@clacefoth @Bowtiedplayer Yes they have to otherwise there will be nobody to buy or use their products or services. The entire economy is built around selling things to the masses. If all of the people lose their income and robots/AI does everything for free, what happens?
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RiverOaksGuy
RiverOaksGuy@Bowtiedplayer·
AI is not going to create a scenario where nobody works and everyone lives off of UBI. It isn't going to happen: There will always be some people willing to work in exchange for more money, above and beyond whatever UBI That will allow them to buy high status luxury things; what exactly those things are may change with 3D printing and so forth, but we will always have some kind of scarce indicator of value that people will want Because of this, whatever ends up being the level of subsistence on UBI will end up just being considered poor or low status Evidence: after WW2, the US had so much money that we decided that poverty should be abolished. We build public housing projects so nobody should feel impoverished by unaffordable housing. The result? The projects became crime-ridden, drug-ridden slums. Even the name "the projects" ended up having a ghetto connotation to it. We've tried all of this before and it didn't work. This Silicon Valley fantasy isn't based in reality
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@DrSuneelDhand It's all part of the plan to dumb down enough of the population into a drugged stupor. Keep them stoned and pacified with social media, video games, and porn and they'll be content with a bare subsistence UBI. Most won't reproduce either. Soft depopulation.
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Suneel Dhand MD
Suneel Dhand MD@DrSuneelDhand·
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but marijuana/weed became a much bigger scourge on society once it was legalized Nothing good is going to come out of America’s desire to legalize more drugs to collect tax money If you have any sense, keep you & your family away from drugs!
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@GroypSoldier69 @Bowtiedplayer So you really think the tech aristocracy is going to give this luxurious life of leisure to an exponentially-growing population of completely useless eaters? That's cute.
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Groyp Soldier@GroypSoldier69·
@clacefoth @Bowtiedplayer "basic" is also relative. "High" is high relative to "basic" income. It is meant to convey the universal luxuriousness of what that life will feel like. It's really that simple. stop pretending you don't understand 😭
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@schiz04renic Deal. Give me a minute to install it first though please.
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You’re offered $6 million to uninstall Instagram from your phone forever. Would you do it??
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@LawtonAver58308 @Bunagayafrost Not quite. In the original feudal system, the aristocracy still NEEDED the peasant class FOR THEIR LABOR. Not so in the end-stage AI/robotic tech oligarchy. Therr will be NO REASON to support a huge population of completely useless eaters.
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Avery Lawton
Avery Lawton@LawtonAver58308·
@Bunagayafrost It's Neo-Feudalism. Tech Barons will be taxed by the King State so the Serfs are fed and they justify their positions as the masters of humanity's output potential. They will remain in control of the direction, while you are satiated with a siphoned pittance.
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Bunagaya
Bunagaya@Bunagayafrost·
Problem: Mass AI unemployment Solution: UBI No brainer, right? Anti-UBI arguments I've encountered: 1) Look at history, there's always new jobs - Imagine if a more superior intelligent alien species that can make infinite copies of themselves arrived in 1850 to compete against you in the labor market. They work for energy undercutting wages. how would that have played out? 2) AI sucks now so it'll never happen - Current capabilities are not future capabilities. 3) AI will never exceed human capabilities, so no mass unemployment - Current models already exceed humans at many tasks. The human brain proves that human-level general intelligence runs on 20 watts. We're not waiting for a physics breakthrough, we're engineering toward a known target. Extrapolate the trajectory. 4) There will always be human jobs, bc AI doesn't have agency - You don't need agency to do tasks. 5) Cost of compute give 20watt brain a competitive advantage - For a while. 6) Why not expand existing welfare or do a new narrow welfare to address it rather than UBI? - Unemployment never recovers and only expands. It's just easier to hand everyone the same amount from the get go. 7) We can retrain people to do new jobs! - If AI can replace almost all human jobs, it can do almost any new jobs that are created. 8) UBI kills motivation. People need meaning in life. - Retirees and kids seem alright. There's more to life than trading labor for resources to survive. 9) The government will just let us starve. - People will revolt. 10) The powerful will kill all the useless people - ...like why? There's enough for everyone. 11) But what if mass AI unemployment never materialize? - No UBI then. 12) But how do you pay for it? - Printer go brrr. Print money, don't worry about the debt. If the AI is smart enough to replace human workers, money will essentially become worthless soon, because the AI will be capable of making ever better AIs. So you just need UBI to get over the transitionary period until everything is essentially free. 13) But this is communism! - Not really, but i do see the similarities. It's just a new paradigm. Communism fails because people are imperfect. AI will essentially be as perfect as any intelligence can ever get. 14) But inflation will be insane! - Automation will be deflationary. You need something to off-set it, so printing money and distributing via UBI is a balancing act. 15) But there will always be jobs. It just won't be necessary jobs like maintaining infrastructure or producing energy. - Sure. People can do whatever they want unshackled from the labor extracting economic incentives. >But what if bad people control AI and do bad things to us? - How does a lesser intelligence control a vastly more superior intelligence?
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Bernie Sanders@BernieSanders·
According to a recent poll, 77% of voters support raising taxes on billionaires. Maybe, just maybe, at a time of unprecedented income and wealth inequality, it’s time for Congress to listen to the American people and pass a wealth tax on billionaires.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@TRobinsonNewEra Why is western civilization intentionally importing an invasive, parasitic species?
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Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧
Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧@TRobinsonNewEra·
Let's take a look at "Modern Germany". Ahmad lives with his 2 wives and 6 children in a taxpayer funded house. He says he's looking for 2 more wives and wants to have 20 children. Ahmad is illiterate and does not work.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@Strandjunker What's stopping YOU from producing essential things and giving them away for no profit?
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Andrea Junker
Andrea Junker@Strandjunker·
Just a thought: How about we stop shaming the poor for buying things that may not be essential, and start shaming the rich for making a profit off things that are essential?
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@ksorbs Do we want vigilante justice? Because this is how you get vigilante justice.
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Kevin Sorbo@ksorbs·
A 19-year-old animal killed an 84-year-old man. His excuse? He was having "a bad day." Tje judge lets him off with probation.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@elonmusk Why do you care? Your sci-fi fantasy future doesn't need extra people.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@vxylily "Boss babe" Livestock nose ring Leftist
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lily@vxylily·
MEN: be brutally honest, what really makes a woman instantly UNATTRACTIVE
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The Pholosopher 🌎🕊@ThePholosopherX·
You cannot sustain prosperity by just giving everyone checks. Prosperity comes by way of increasing efficient productivity where people can use less effort to provide more value to others. Individuals have to be productive to increase the wealth, else, it ends up being net consumption followed by a rise in prices to offset the generalized handouts.
The Pholosopher 🌎🕊 tweet media
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@EllenFantasmic @Zlacher88 @ThePholosopherX A Roomba has enough environmental awareness and sensory ability to navigate around your house, avoid obstacles, vaccum the floor, and even return to its dock to "eat". Does it have human rights? Are we unfairly enslaving Roombas?
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@hell_line0 Have you ever actually been around a little toddler girl? I don't think you have.
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Maryam@hell_line0·
No girl is born dreaming of motherhood. That idea is taught. From dolls to toy strollers, girls are conditioned early for caregiving and reproduction, while boys aren’t. We’re taught this is our purpose, yet the risks of pregnancy and childbirth, even death, are rarely acknowledged. This isn’t instinct. It’s social conditioning.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@EllenFantasmic @Zlacher88 @ThePholosopherX You are assuming we are going to create actual SENTIENT robots with consciousness and emotions. We don't even understand what OUR OWN consciousness actually is, and there is no reason to try to put this in a robot, so the whole argument is pointless.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@zapatas_mom 95% of "girl boss" jobs will be replaced by AI in the next 3-5 years. Nothing you do is particularly important, and the bits that are, are easily replaceable.
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Katrina 🇺🇸🇨🇳🇲🇽
If youre a 36 year old, financially stable, girlboss who wants children. The absolute BEST thing you can do is go for a younger man. Heathy sperm. You don’t want old crunchy sperm. Your baby will not be healthy. Go for the pocket boy.
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zzrider12@clacefoth·
@GroypSoldier69 @drydenwtbrown Like I said, robots may eventually be capable of hands-on field work at some point, but it won't be first, or soon. You really think a former doctor or lawyer is going to be happy about going to someone's house to troubleshoot a broken HVAC or unclog a main drain line? 😆 🤣
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Groyp Soldier
Groyp Soldier@GroypSoldier69·
@clacefoth @drydenwtbrown Oh robots will definitely do those things. Even if white collar jobs were eliminated and only blue collar work was left, the former white collar workers would dominate that market
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DRYDEN
DRYDEN@drydenwtbrown·
It’s not remotely plausible to me that all these white collar workers retrain as electricians, plumbers, or whatever future job you imagine This didn’t happen uniformly 100 years ago — many workers displaced by industrialization got on welfare and the died, and their granddaughters got the new jobs, “HR”, “digital marketing”, internet prostitute
Aaron Slodov@aphysicist

@drydenwtbrown i think the idea is that most of those jobs being lost are fake or being shifted around out of concentrated areas of supposed value

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