SteeD

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SteeD

@ffSteeD27

Just a guy obsessed with Final Fantasy & Metal. Link to YT channel below.

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·29 Oca

It's upon us. After my first video, I realized that I needed to replay the games and do thorough research before venturing into theory-crafting that is worthy of people's time. So this has been in the works since August. I hope you enjoy it! youtu.be/9eqpzUydSVI

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Joshiepoo@Joshiepoo2525·33m

Always shocked at how many people think opinions on video games are worth slinging insults over. Note that not once in my video did I mention Cloud's romantic interests, or whether Aerith or Zack will be in the lifestream sequence. Literally just a guy who likes FF7 over here.

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@6LEG6ION6 For me that's the climax of her journey, her knowing exactly what she wants to do. Also FWIW, the LSS COULD be interpreted as the climax of her arc, yet STILL be about Cloud first and foremost. I really don't think it should be controversial to say the LSS is about Cloud.

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Judas Legion@6LEG6ION6·1h

@ffSteeD27 No, I asked for the climax ? You described what Tifa does through her journey, not the climax of her arc ? Again, where does the "climax" of arc of her journey, doing the things you mentioned happen/pay off ? You know like Aerith's is praying for holy/her death ?

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Judas Legion@6LEG6ION6·3h

Imagine how stupid I would look if I tried to assign "importance levels" to Aerith's death ? 🫠 "Guys the scene is about Cloud, but Aerith is the most important one, followed by SephiNova" How about no ? The scene is about & literally *requires* Cloud, Aerith & SephiNova 💁‍♂️

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You have idiots out here saying the LSS is not *also* about Tifa ? Are ppl like genuinely losing brain cells in real time ? 🤣 The LSS is literally the climax to both Cloud & Tifa's character arcs(shocking I know). But apparently the climax of her own arc can't be about her ?⬇️

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@6LEG6ION6 For me it's her resilience to stay by Cloud's side despite not knowing the truth about him. She didn't need the truth, she just knew she wanted to be with him, and her coming to that realization meant she didn't need anything else in her journey. Now is the LSS a bonus? Ofc

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Judas Legion@6LEG6ION6·1h

@ffSteeD27 It's shallow & reductive to breakdown "rankings". FWIW, that was my point, which might have missed. But since your here. Could you tell me what the climax of Tifa's arc is ?

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@motokomakima Oh god. You can keep it in the draft 😂😂

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shady@motokomakima·1h

@ffSteeD27 I got a draft for you that I just spent the last 20 minutes typing but I'm too tired to finish it right now 😅, i'll drop it on one of your latest tweets tomorrow

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Also you guys might not realize it, but I hold the LSS in such high regard that my point is that putting Aerith's death after it could undermine it. This is coming from a place of "LSS is THE climax". Surely Tifa being the main support to Cloud there benefits from this?

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

Also: -Aerith's death in the story is about Cloud's perception more than herself. -Sephiroth couldn't have done 1% of what he did without Cloud. -The entire Planet Crisis boils down to Fricking Cloud. -Plot ghosts, fate and world I'll absolutely be about him too.

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@JohnFinalF So wouldn't this be worse because it essentially adds a big climax moment right after the biggest one? I see a risk there.

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John FF@JohnFinalF·1h

If I remember correctly that was pretty much right after he recovered from the LSS so his speech about remembering Aerith could lead directly into (or immediately follow) a cut scene of him recalling her death. If he remembers her death before recovery in the LSS it’s going to have to lead into “fake” Cloud losing himself.

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·7h

I want constructive conversation out of this, which is why I'd love for someone to give me a satisfactory answer to this question (I am unable to): - Where can the story fit Aerith's death at the end of the game in a way that doesn't undermine Cloud being HIM after the LSS?

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@Sesiyrus All good, majority I disagreed with today were chill (makes sense because we already know each other) so I think it's all good. I just don't like avoiding saying something I believe in just because someone I appreciate will disagree with me, I think it's how it should be

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✨ Starlight Samurai 💫@Sesiyrus·1h

@ffSteeD27 And I just wanna clarify I’m not trying to come at you or sound aggressive.

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·11h

I've also been meaning to say this: The LSS is about Cloud's identity. It means that it's not about Zack or Aerith but also NOT about Tifa either. It's about HIM. If writers decide that in Remake Cloud needs to learn all the truths he repressed to heal, it'd be consistent.

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@Sesiyrus I respectfully disagree here, because for me the LSS is about Cloud *with* the help of Tifa, not about both of them. I feel that the way Hamaguchi phrased it (when Cloud discovers his identity) is how I would frame it really. Now is Tifa the key? Ofc

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✨ Starlight Samurai 💫@Sesiyrus·1h

@ffSteeD27 Im not really saying this as a Cloti though im saying it as a lore and narrative driven enthusiast. Even if Cloud and Tifa were platonic or another pairing was canon, The Lifestream arc, and its foundation scenes and payoff would still be about Cloud AND TIFA.

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@QueenLolipopo Totally, I mentioned earlier that I wasn't even around during the rebirth marketing cycle. And tbf up until a year ago I was vaguely aware of the shopping discourse, and never imagined it to be as big as it really is.

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Lolipopo // Thank you Miura & Toriyama ❁@QueenLolipopo·1h

@ffSteeD27 So imo you come from a place of first timer and you dont see why this would be so bad to allow rroom for others, alas when the entire VII content space has been eaten by people making every scene (specially Tifa's scenes) about Aerith and Sephiroth, it leaves scars

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Lolipopo // Thank you Miura & Toriyama ❁@QueenLolipopo·2h

Lmao what did I miss 😭😭😭 (QRT for clarity i'm getting too many notifications)

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I can't believe you all want to erase Cloud's role in the LSS just to put Tifa at the same level as him? Anything to undermine Cloud's role in the story.

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@QueenLolipopo That's why I said earlier that it's probably because of the initial wave of "let's bring aerith to replace Tifa in the LSS". I get that but it's also light years away from what I was saying, so I feel like saying that's my intent is a bit unfair, but it's all a video game anyway

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Lolipopo // Thank you Miura & Toriyama ❁@QueenLolipopo·1h

@ffSteeD27 I think the issue here is you don't know the depths of the resentment about the Tifa erasure lol, that's why people are pretty touchy with this eagerness people have in erasing Tifa of her scenes, cause for years most content was all about making her a sub characters

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@QueenLolipopo But she did acknowledge that he came for her in the mountain, so I doubt the revelation will go further than that about that sequence? Definitely it doesn't affect the outcome, where we disagree is that I think nothing can affect the outcome if it's properly executed..

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Lolipopo // Thank you Miura & Toriyama ❁@QueenLolipopo·1h

@ffSteeD27 I see but even in this fragment at she has to know why he was there, something she doesn't yet given it's the crux of it all (thats kinda my vision with the remake, it can expand or add things, as long as those dont affect the outcome (in a believable way) it's faithful

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@Braedberi__07 Right so that's really the essence of what I'm saying. I feel like me saying Zack/Aerith/Tifa are all a level below (not necessarily at the same level) is just what it is no?

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Braedberi 🚬@Braedberi__07·1h

@ffSteeD27 i feel like this is the bare minimum of course he's the protagonist

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@theshenami Oh it definitely is, but it's also half serious, not to those who engaged in actual conversation (like you always do and did today), but those who straight jumped at the occasion to say that my agenda was always just to undermine Tifa.. Probably went too far but hey

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theshenami@theshenami·1h

@ffSteeD27 I'm choosing to take this as a lighthearted jab, since you and I have always been respectful when we've disagreed 😎

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I can't believe you all want to erase Cloud's role in the LSS just to put Tifa at the same level as him? Anything to undermine Cloud's role in the story.

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@Sesiyrus I see why you look at it that way but that's what I said yesterday. This might be the one thing I fundamentally disagree on with Clotis. For me Cloud's arc is first then there is everything else (with Tifa super high obviously).

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✨ Starlight Samurai 💫@Sesiyrus·2h

@ffSteeD27 Hmmm genuinely couldn’t disagree more, Nibelheim, The Lifestream, and Under the Highwind are all chained together and they are both about Cloud AND TIFA, Cloud is the main character who shares his arc with this other character pivotal to it, that’s what you mean I would hope.

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@Tieryn_gaming I feel that her not giving up about Cloud in general is probably the closest. So maybe when she decides to stay next to him. You can make a case for the LSS, I just think it's a much bigger climax for Cloud's arc than Tifa's, which shouldn't be controversial imo...

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Kaylia 🎮💫@Tieryn_gaming·2h

@ffSteeD27 1 question, if you don't mind: What do you think is the climax of Tifa's arc in OG?

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SteeD@ffSteeD27·1h

@QueenLolipopo I mean I'm on board with this.

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Lolipopo // Thank you Miura & Toriyama ❁@QueenLolipopo·3h

@ffSteeD27 A build up for the reveal that yeah, he was here in Nibelheim, he kept his promise, and it was always very much in character for him to care for her, even when she barely knew

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@QueenLolipopo It changes the realization she comes to in one of the fragments in the LSS that's what I meant.

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Lolipopo // Thank you Miura & Toriyama ❁@QueenLolipopo·3h

@ffSteeD27 Yeah but when you say that Tifa knows Cloud was there in NC and that it drastically change the LS what does it alters ? Because This is just a build up, exactly like all those moments where Tifa mentioned Cloud was looking at her in the past ;

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