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Even if that's true to some degree in the middle ages, there is/ was no RELIGIOUS ban on a smith training to be a Carpenter. Or a priest. There was also no strict endogamy. Unlike in Sanatan Dharma. Where the SCRIPTURES bar a Shudra from pursuing a different occupation. Particularly priesthood. Not to mention that Caste-based endogamy is still strictly followed by a vast majority of Hindus, unlike most other cultures.

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 This is disproven by the fact that the last names in English still denote an occupation. A smith is the son of a smith, so is a carpenter or a carter etc. No doubt then this meant that even occupation was once inherited. Low-born, high-born distinction was there in all societies.

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@kbs435 @vimalprince7 @choga_don No, Christians don't do the same. So? What's your point?

@p0daran @vimalprince7 @choga_don Does christians do the same?

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@Rahul166656 @Mahesh10816 Spoken like a true (Casteist) Hindu.

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 Whats wrong in all this.

@raja3293 @Mahesh10816 Yes. So?

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 These words are not from Brahmins, but from the Bible itself.

@SheshagiriMk @Mahesh10816 What's your point?

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 Written by Kathaka & Maitrayani, forget their works, Brs would not even heard their names. Also, based on the cases applied under SC ST act, majority of preparators r OBCs, they wouldn't hv imagined of such literature even in their dreams.

@ms_gururaj @nairnrc @choga_don "surrender"? What do you mean by that?

@p0daran @nairnrc @choga_don plurality inside dharmic thought is not the same as surrender to exclusivist systems outside it. Bhagwat Gita 9:21 येऽप्यन्यदेवता भक्ता यजन्ते श्रद्धयान्विताः । तेऽपि मामेव कौन्तेय यजन्त्यविधिपूर्वकम् ॥ ९.२३॥ Distinction made by supreme lord himself

@viryavaan @Mahesh10816 You're confusing Class with Caste. Class is based on socio-economic status, on occupation; not on birth. People can move from one class to another. A carpenter marry a teacher. Their son can become a priest. Caste offers no such mobility.

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 Birth based social stratification was an intrinsic feature of all cultures in every part of the world before modernity when first the idea of total social homogeneity was conceived. Many common surnames even in English refer to trades eg. Smith, Carpenter, Carter etc. to this day

@DrRajeshwariSh2 @Mahesh10816 I've given you the exact references for each quote. You can look it up if you're interested.

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 Please show the vedic texts and not the autobiographic interpretation of BR Ambedkar.

Yes, those Brahmanas contain such references in context of varna duties during rituals. Aitareya Brahmana 7.29.4 describes the Shudra as "anyasya presya" (servant of another) and "kāmottāpya" (expellable at will). Pañcaviṃśa Brahmana 6.1.11 similarly limits Shudra roles, echoing servant status. This is per standard translations cited by Ambedkar and Vedic scholars. Ancient texts reflect their era's social framework.

Yes, these references (from B.R. Ambedkar's "Who Were the Shudras?") accurately reflect the content. Satapatha Brahmana 3.1.1.10 states that only a Brahman, Rajanya, or Vaishya may enter/perform the sacrifice; the consecrated sacrificer must not converse directly with a Shudra but tell "one of those" (an upper varna person) to relay messages instead. The Maitrayani Samhita 7.1.1.6 and Panchavimsa Brahmana 6.1.11 contain parallel ritual exclusions barring Shudras from presence or direct involvement in Vedic sacrifices to preserve purity. These are standard varna-based rules in the Brahmanas.

@DrRajeshwariSh2 @Mahesh10816 //IV. The Aitareya Brahmana (vii.29.4) and the Panchavimsa Brahmana (vi.1.11) reached the culminating point when they say: "Shudra is a servant of another (and cannot be anything else).// @grok Do Aitareya Brahmana and Panchavimsa Brahmana actually say this?

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 Please show the exact scriptures with references. Not any random textbook and anyone interpretation.

//II. The Satapatha Brahmana (iïi.1.1.10), the Maitrayani Samita (vii.1.1.6) and also the Panchavimsa Brahmana (vi.1.11) say: "The Shudra must not be spoken to when performing a sacrifice and a Shudra must not be present when a sacrifice is being performed."// @grok Do the Satapatha Brahmana, Maitrayani Samhita and Panchavimsa Brahmana actually say this?

Look at this idiot. How more hateful and misleading can this kind of fate narrative be! It is not just dangerous to spread something like this but it also makes people fight. The reality is something else. People can take a screenshot and interpret it through any AI app and reality will be infront. I wish there was an S/ST act too for misleading, spreading hatred, misusing it.

**Yes.** The restriction is stated in the Maitrayani Samhita (iv.1.3): "na śūdro duhyād ... agnihotram eva śūdro na duhyāt" — a Shudra must not milk (the cow) for the Agnihotra offering, as it would render the oblation impure and unpurified. Ambedkar's citation of both the Kathaka Samhita (xxxi.2) and Maitrayani Samhita (iv.1.3; i.8.3) aligns with the original Vedic texts on ritual purity rules in the Krishna Yajurveda. This reflects broader varna-based norms in Brahmanical ritual literature.

@grok @DrRajeshwariSh2 @Mahesh10816 @grok Does such a restriction actually figure in the Kathaka Samhita and Maitrayani Samhita?

Verified. This exact reference and quote appear in Dr. B.R. Ambedkar's *Who Were the Shudras?* (1946, p. 29 in standard editions), attributing the restriction to Kathaka Samhita (xxxi.2) and Maitrayani Samhita (iv.1.3; i.8.3) of the Krishna Yajurveda. It describes a Vedic ritual rule barring Shudras from milking cows whose milk is used in Agnihotra (fire sacrifice), part of broader varna-based purity norms in Brahmanical texts.

@DrRajeshwariSh2 @Mahesh10816 //I. According to the Kathaka Samhita (xxxi.2) and the Maitrayani Samhita (iv.1.3; i.8.3) "A shudra should not be allowed to milk the cow whose milk is used for Agnihotra."// @grok verify

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 This should be enough to show how misleading you brats are.

@viryavaan @Mahesh10816 So, caste discrimination was not part of Hindu society?

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 None of these measures were meant to be taken literally. Shudras were an indispensable part of society without whom nothing could be done. It would have been suicidal of society to not keep them happy. All Hindu scriptures mention kings duty was to keep ALL varnas happy.

@DrRajeshwariSh2 @Mahesh10816 The references are provided in the screenshot.

@viryavaan @Mahesh10816 How would such a Shudra become a Brahmin then?

@p0daran @Mahesh10816 Shudras were not required to adhere to strict standards of ritual purity other varnas were mandated to. Hence their participation in certain ritual ceremonies was restricted. As for "servant" this is more accurately "employee" since they were the skilled artisans & laborers.

@kbs435 @vimalprince7 @choga_don What if I did?

@p0daran @vimalprince7 @choga_don do u worship jesus?