@WiggerMaggot You’re acting like the only two options are “perfect angel” and “abusive asshole who never takes accountability.” There’s a lot of room between those two.
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> Bitches about not getting enough trans representation
> gets the most accurate trans representation of all time
> bitches about it being too accurate
Kira 🇧🇩@Magacocks
-A dick to everyone because shes projecting -Denies any help -Kills herself Congrats gooseworx you wrote the worst trans rep ever
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@MainsSupport A character can be realistic, relatable, and authentic while still being unsatisfying as representation if the story never meaningfully addresses the harm they cause.
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May be a controversial opinion from what I'm seeing online but I think Jax is actually good trans representation for what people are actually like when they try to repress instead of accepting themselves. I have been openly trans for about a decade, was on hormones for almost a full year, and one of the best things you can do for yourself when you're like that is meet other openly trans people. And because I've done that, I can confidently say, a lot of repressed trans people, are HUGE PIECES OF SHIT before they come out. I wanna be clear, this is by no means the universal experience, because being trans like being human is not a universal experience.
I knew a trans person who before they came out was a huge racist because they fell into the 4Chan trap. I knew a few who were mysoginists and incels before they came out. A lot of repressed trans people have a tendency to fall into bad crowds that feed the worst parts of them. And Jax is a perfect example of what happens when you try to deny, repress, and smother a part of yourself. When you try everything you can to ignore it. To snuff it out. Oftentimes, hurting ourselves hurts the people around us more than we intend to, realize, or even see.
I found Jax to be such a fucking refreshing change for trans rep because they weren't the fuckin butt of a bad joke. They weren't some "you had sex with a man" joke or "ladyboy" like I often see in the media or some snowflake "it's ma'am" joke. Jax wasn't some cis character that was YEARS LATER retconned into being trans. Jax wasn't literally a man wearing wearing a tutu or dress like I see in anime. Jax wasn't a femboy or a trap. They weren't sexualized or fetishized. They were just a person, struggling with two parts of themselves that couldn't find common ground. And that is by far, THE BEST TRANS REP I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. They were so relatable and even the parts I didn't specifically relate to, I knew actual people who could and had gone through those phases in their life.
Jax isn't bad representation. You just don't know enough trans people to see the parts that resonate with people. And if you still don't believe it, the creator has confirmed it multiple times.
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@HiHello370083 but im saying that doesn't matter. if we want representation thats both the characters that make small mistakes they can come back from AND the irredeemable monsters.
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I will say it.
Queer characters should be allowed to be flawed, to be messy, to majorly screw up.
Like any other character in fiction that happens to be straight or CIS.
And it's not faulty writing: it's about depicting people with nuance, whether they're LGBTQ+ or not.
#LGBT
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@TheRatMann_ @PossiblyK9 That’s an assumption about off-screen logic, not confirmed canon. I’m talking about how people are treating speculation as fact
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@HiHello370083 @PossiblyK9 I wouldn’t say intentionally and I’m pretty sure he apologized in the final
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It feels really dehumanizing as a trans person that “good representation” always as to be the most merry sue shit ever, we always have to be depicted as can do no wrong and any depiction of a trans person being a bad person is “harmful rep” I’m so tired
Mai 🌼🌸@maikrisyay
im so pissed off rn
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@jayteehehe @PossiblyK9 that’s not my point. my point is that there’s a difference between “a character is flawed or even harmful” and “a character is defined by sustained extreme harm with no accountability”.
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@QuestionIsPunk1 @PossiblyK9 If I’m missing the point, clarify it. I’m addressing the idea that flawed trans characters automatically count as bad representation, which is what op was talking about.
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@HiHello370083 @PossiblyK9 Can trans people not be bad people?
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@porkchopreturnz @PossiblyK9 My point is that there’s still a difference between a flawed character and one defined by sustained harm with no accountability, and I think people sometimes conflate those two when discussing representation.
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@QuestionIsPunk1 @PossiblyK9 My point is that there’s still a difference between a flawed character and one defined by sustained harm with no accountability, and I think people sometimes conflate those two when discussing representation.
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@SOL__T_Amo_Dayn @Ilovesunburnn @RayOfFantasy You’re treating assumptions about off-screen events and thematic meaning as facts of the story, and I’m separating what’s explicitly shown from what we’re inferring. We’re not going to agree if we don’t separate those two.
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@HiHello370083 @Ilovesunburnn @RayOfFantasy 1. Es obvio, Leeroy no viviría felizmente si su madre estuviera muerta (ya estaría en la carcel), ni lo niegues denuevo.
2. No es muerte pero si es una alegoria al suicidio (¿O como Pomni pudo interactuar con Jax a pesar de haber "muerto" segun tu?)
Solo repites lo mismo.
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@DumbMarina @RayOfFantasy A character can be allowed to be terrible and still have the narrative engage with their actions in a meaningful way. My issue is that it feels like that engagement isn’t really there, not that the character is ‘required’ to be redeemed.
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@HiHello370083 @RayOfFantasy And the show clearly doesnt want to be the second case, queer characters still can be horrible people and die being horrible people
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@Lockst3p @RayOfFantasy I’m not saying they can’t be flawed. I’m saying the degree and framing of those flaws can still matter for how the character reads as representation.
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@HiHello370083 @RayOfFantasy this isnt about comparing faults
i think the point is let the trans rabbit be a terrible person. some people are calling Jax a "bad trans rep "because of the stuff they do, but trans characters should be able to fill the roles of good, and horrible characters.
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@LexaCola1 @purgatis Strawman argument
I’m not claiming trans people or trans characters can’t be flawed or even terrible. I’m talking about whether the narrative meaningfully engages with those flaws, not whether they’re allowed to exist.
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@HiHello370083 @purgatis “Awful people don’t exist, trans people are incapable of being evil and fucked up”
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*Names every quality of a trans repper*
“Worst representation ever”
Kira 🇧🇩@Magacocks
-A dick to everyone because shes projecting -Denies any help -Kills herself Congrats gooseworx you wrote the worst trans rep ever
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@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi I’m saying the words ‘imprisoned’ or ‘self-imprisonment’ don’t really match what’s shown if she’s being cared for and supported by the others. You can absolutely interpret her condition as tragic or limiting, but that’s different from describing it as confinement.
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@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi And she's still forever changed and will never get to live like and with the rest of them ever again. Just because shes a little comfortable in her eternal self imprisonment doesn't mean she's just perfectly fine
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STOP INFANTILIZING US. STOP THINKING WE CAN'T BE BAD PEOPLE. STOP ACTING LIKE CLOSETED DYSPHORIA CAN'T BE PORTRAYED AS THE NIGHTMARE THAT IT IS OR THAT IT CAN'T HAVE MASSIVE RIPPLE EFFECTS ON SOMEONE'S MENTAL HEALTH. OH MY GOD YOU GUYS ARE PISSING ME OFF
Kira 🇧🇩@Magacocks
-A dick to everyone because shes projecting -Denies any help -Kills herself Congrats gooseworx you wrote the worst trans rep ever
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@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi Strawman
I’m talking specifically about accountability vs consequence. A tragic ending can exist without the character ever confronting their actions, and that’s what I’m pointing out
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@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi So you'd be fine living as a half-awake blob in an Aquarium? And the story was never about accountability. Who cares if she was never held accountable? The story doesnt pretend she was, thats not the point
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@Penblup @synwithagrine @TransWinterDyke Slow TADC fan says using he/her pronouns on a character that is fine with he/her pronouns is weird
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@synwithagrine @TransWinterDyke The fact you use he on her says a lottttttt of u
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He is horrible rep tho. Jax is a walking transfem stereotype. The writers sat down and decided to make their transfem character a misogynistic abuser that also has weird sexual fantasies about one of the women he abuses.
bagos marijuanos@bagosmarijuanos
this is my vent art
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Jax isn't trans, because he never identified as such, it's the logic of forcing an identity on him because the creator disliked him enough to claim: 'it would have been better for everyone if he was groomed and cucked'. It's literally the creator projecting their kinks.
🍉Ray of Fantasy (Pentious & Stolas fan!)@RayOfFantasy
I've used he/him pronouns for Jax, up until this point. But now that Jax being trans is confirmed, I don't know what pronouns to use. The show still uses he/him after the reveal. But the song and a couple of VAs use she/her. I want to be respectful: how should I refer to Jax?
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@whit3merican @DelusionPosting just say you wanna fuck minors my nigga it’s ok
niggas here r so retarded
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@VerzTre0n @RayOfFantasy his mom, Ribbit, and kaufmo are not two people.
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@SOL__T_Amo_Dayn @Ilovesunburnn @RayOfFantasy 1. You don’t know that
2. You don’t know that abstraction isn’t death or not, that’s just a headcanon made by TADC fans trying to cope with their favorites being gone
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@HiHello370083 @Ilovesunburnn @RayOfFantasy 1. Lo es, si despues sigue libre es porque su madre ESTA BIEN.
2. Es verdad, aunque sea gran parte de la culpa en la abstracción de Ribbit, sigue sin ser muerte.
3. Eso si.
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