@KennethLPearce Do you think Avicenna or Averroes had bigger influence on Aquinas?
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In terms of influence on the Western philosophical tradition (i.e., the tradition that stretches from Socrates & Plato to analytic & Continental philosophies today) it is impossible to overstate the importance of Ibn Sina & it's a crime that he's not more widely read today.
Khalil Andani, PhD@KhalilAndani
I mean Aquinas was reading Al-Farabi and Ibn Sina…..
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@tenshi_anna Somebody borrowed me this book; and I read a bit and then got bored, felt I understood it etc. But I should read more and try to be more charitable and rigorous. Thanks!
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@Quididityorange Allow me to refer you to the Textbook. The answer is extremely complex and requires raising every relevant category to a profoundly fine definitional rigor.
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Divine alterity is primary, divine indwelling is secondary. Transgressing this hierarchy is categorically disastrous and the fundamental form of what is called “the idol.”
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@timmodryoid Well I am not sure how much there has to be a unity above the differences in Christianity, even Islam. I think at the highest level unity + difference become merged and transcended. But on lower level the differences do exist IN a unity, and the unity can be expressed distinctly.
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@Quididityorange For Platonic Polytheists like me, you don't need monotheism to have the absoluteness of divinity.
The Principle of Unity is concrete as each Unit, and is not a unity "above" them. Each Unit qua Unit is absolute.
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Edward's explanation of why he prefers the term "polytheist" just reminds me of why I adopted the term from him.
I'm still a bit uncomfortable telling people about it when they ask, but less so these days. There really is no better word that describes my religious commitments.
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@timmodryoid Also with monotheism you get an idea of the absoluteness of divinity, and it makes sense to predicate of that absoluteness a universality I think.
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@timmodryoid I used to be poly back in the day; not sure exactly how or why I moved to mono. Isn’t unity a positive predicate, both desirable, and something we actually see evidence for, and therefore why not predicate divine unity and say the differences are internal to that?
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@johnmilbank3 Peach petals float there streams to other skies and earths, then those of mortals.
That’s the only Chinese poetry I can quote.
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Chinese poetry is basically all psychogeographical — in a metaphysical way.
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@timothy_stanley I liked how King Charles said pilgrimage is especially relevant to the modern world in his last Christmas message. We are so lucky to have him; and it’s sad no-one realises.
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Ok, I now realise a lot of people don’t know what a pilgrimage is. How desperately sad.
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@johnmilbank3 I may buy one of Corbin’s books. I think studying Islamic medieval philosophy/theology/mysticism can be a good way of avoiding the two extremes of closed minded particularism and a superficial universalism.
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@Quididityorange Yes he is incredible. Corbin’s chapter on him is good.
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‘Mulla Sadrā was in fact to declare that the esotericist feels a great deal closer to the naive believer than to the rationalist theologian.’ (Henri Corbin)
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Today i realized how much i judge people i see, like on the street or the bus, and realized how evil my heart is in the eyes of God. I am the ungrateful servant, saved only by the fact that God mercifully chooses to not judge me by my own yardstick
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@Nina_Power_ Where the daffodils grow; under March’s grey-light skies.
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@Quididityorange To die somewhere in a field in England, mouth filled with buttercups.
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Wholesome prediction market in which people guess which day sees the first snowdrop, daffodil and crocus, and no money changes hands, you just get a little chuckle and a pat on the back. The alternatives all tend towards necrofinance.
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Spring dusk arrives like a shifting of the scenery upon the same stage.
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@tenshi_anna @the_Theurgist @matt_mazza14 @grok @FeelsGuy2003 That’s interesting. I have been thinking about the difference between generic philosophic thrinity + the Christian one; your differentiation makes sense; in that the later imbibes this absolute distinction within the persons; and I suppose resolves, or redeems, it also.
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The real question is how the Trinity is distinguished from trigrammatical structure. A trigram is a univocal tensing that suspends its reference to analogical differentiation as a procedure of grounding in the real. I am convinced that all pagan triads are essentially trigrammatic tensing of a univocal cosmic field, and lack any genuine analogical grammar of holding forth in the nothingness of creation under the absolute will and authority of God the Creator. Paganism (including ALL pre-Christian metaphysics, in my book) and Christianity just have an insurmountable differend, absent genuine confessio and conversion.
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Both Thiel and Bannon support a book called “In the Closet of the Vatican”, a slanderous work written by gay activist and secularist Frédéric Martel. The book has been torn to shreds a dozen times over, but it doesn’t stop anti Catholic figures from using it as a demoralization tool to prevent people from becoming Catholic.
FeelsGuy@FeelsGuy2003
The Trad™️ movement has always been the long arm of the Synagogue. One only needs to look at Thiel and Bannon’s involvement in the scene to understand it’s a jewish assault on the Papal Monarchy.
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@xenocosmography I think you are probably right there will be an Anglo apocalypse of some sort; but I think it will be through something good like Quakerism or Radical Orthodoxy, maybe you kind of know this idk
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The Anglo-Protestant Whig Tradition is astonishingly homologous, at an abstract level, with the emergence of Eukaryotic life. Same problem of endosymbiotic assimilation, same revolutionary opportunities, same bioenergetic breakthrough, same acceleration of innovation. ...
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@matt_mazza14 But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object
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@ElijahForCA Narmer destroyed the northern marsh dwellers and unified Egypt. But this was maybe a pivotal moment in south/north transition in global history. Also the Hebrews took Canaan from the south; Also the armies of Islam came from south. Lots to consider here lol.
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There is power emanating from the hyperborean pole that dissipates the further south you get or smth
Goldstein 🇩🇪🇨🇿🇪🇬🇳🇬@LarpingWigger
Looking back at this, why does the south lose every single conflict Lost Vietnam, lost the Civil war, and the mainly christian southern Nigerians get smoked by the Muslim northerners every 4 seconds
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@kunley_drukpa I am confused; are you saying this is good or bad?
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If you wanted to dissolve the identities of old nation states so that you could more easily turn them into patchwork vibey moodboard states for a new C22nd patchwork political meta blasting them with mass migration, globoslop culture and nobodycaresanymoreism a good way to do it
ɖʀʊӄքǟ ӄʊռʟɛʏ 🇧🇹🇹🇩@kunley_drukpa
Bhutan opening up to nomad visas and skipping political crises of the C21st, going to straight the C22nd patchwork political meta where the international class just live wherever they want and all countries are vibey moodboards now rather than nations in the old Westphalian sense
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@Quididityorange I have had it for my shelf for a long while, but have yet to get to it.
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A book worth ruminating over for a long while.
Ryan Haecker@RyanHaecker
"Thus, for Aquinas, it is less that metaphysics is abandoned by reflection on scripture, and much more that it is fulfilled in its intention, but beyond its own understanding of this intention. It is both suspended and subsumed." - John Milbank and Catherine Pickstock, Truth in Aquinas, 2001, 26
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