RedElementalBlast

Here are my positions:

@NovaAntimatter @ArchLuminous To be fair, if the topic was "Did God create the planet earth?" Then I probably would also affirm that earth is round and that the Bible never says otherwise

@ArchLuminous @RedElementBlast ^ This too 😆

Jesus said lusting after someone is committing adultery in your heart. "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Matthew 5:28 It's not "lusting is bad too" or even "lusting is as bad as adultery." God literally regards them as the same thing.

@michaeljknowles I have no opinion on whether or not Mary sinned by denying conjugal rights to Joseph in a way outside the only exception, which was created decades later.

When it comes to the perpetual virginity of Mary, do you agree with the Catholic view or with the view of Protestant reformers Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, and John Wesley?

@ArchLuminous @NovaAntimatter Leaving that detail out is purposely avoiding the conversation that needs to be had, which I don't want to leave unsaid. Other people can choose to disengage with this topic of course

@NovaAntimatter @RedElementBlast It also really doesn't matter if some people say that. Some people say the Earth is flat. So what?

@NovaAntimatter @ArchLuminous Then we are in agreement, and we both disagree with those that hold a position of people who disagree with what my/our position is.

@RedElementBlast @ArchLuminous I don't really agree with a lot of Catholic doctrine, so I can't speak on it. 😅

So then there's either two options in that case: 1. He didn't desire her, or 2. He wasn't married at the time of desiring her. Is there an exception to Jesus' explanation of "adultery of the heart" relevant to David's situation? If you know of such a Bible passage, I'm happy to hear it

@RedElementBlast David was held to the same standard that we all are held to.

@DriverXag Each of all three of my points are fully directly Biblical, so do you have any Biblical points that provides an exception for any of those three? If not, then my logic is by definition the logic of the Bible.

@RedElementBlast Your logic is contrary to the law of God.

@NovaAntimatter @ArchLuminous I agree, sexual desire for one's spouse shouldn't count as lust. (However, there are some people who believe that it can, including some Catholics that I have spoken with.)

I actually googled the biblical definition for lust, and I don't believe that sexual desire for a spouse falls within that definition. Lust is characterized as a (primarily) sexual desire for another person, that dishonors the subject, and disregards God's will. Wanting to have sex with your spouse is different though, since it's not in a dishonorable or anti-God manner. Since God designed sex for marriage. I found this article that goes into a deep dive of the topic. I read through it while typing all this out. It's definitely worth the read 👍 desiringgod.org/messages/battl…

@DriverXag David may not have been held to the same standard that Jesus set for us today. See my other comment for more info about that: x.com/i/status/20378…

@RedElementBlast @PhrogPollenYT His desire was appropriate. He saw that she was beautiful and would make a good wife. He desired her. It wasn’t sin as she was a widow.

Here's my logic: 1. If a married man has sex with an unmarried woman (which obviously cannot be his spouse), then that is adultery. 2. Jesus says sexual desire is adultery within the heart. 3. It is not adultery for a married man to sexually desire his wife. Therefore, according to the standard set by Jesus (which David may have not been held to, for obvious reasons), it appears that it is adultery for a married man to sexually desire anyone besides his wife. Is there a mistake somewhere in my thought process?

@RedElementBlast @PhrogPollenYT Where does it say it is sinful to desire an unmarried, unbetrothed woman?

I think your definitions are internally consistent. That said, one area where it might prove to be imperfect is in regard to a spouse fantasizing about having sex with their spouse. If that were wrong, then it would have to somehow be adultery to do that. Otherwise, Jesus would have condemned any type of sexual desire, not just the adulterous kind.

I think sexual desire is the foundation of lust. And lust is just dwelling on sexual desire. Essentially the difference between finding someone attractive, or actively fantasizing about having sex with them. I don't know the textbook definitions of the two right off my head though 🤷‍♂️

@DriverXag @PhrogPollenYT If David looked upon Abigail with sexual desire for her, then Jesus says he sinned. Is there a way to provide an exception for David within Jesus' words?

@RedElementBlast @PhrogPollenYT Uh, no. Did David sin when he took Abigail? No. Don’t try to be more holy than God.

I do actually have an answer! Lust is the word that means desire, and some desires can be good and some can be bad. This also applies to sexual matter. Some sexual desires are good, some sexual desires are bad. So is there a difference between lust and sexual desire? They are synonyms with the first having a negative connotation and the second having a neutral connotation. As you can see, I'm not asking because I think you know and I don't; I'm asking because your point was unclear in this element.

I have an answer. You don't. I'm not going to type out a thread explaining the entire topic to you on X. YOU have to do research if YOU want an answer. You're the one asking the question, which you obviously don't WANT an answer to, because it's actually really basic and if you wanted to understand it you would instead of pretending to be too stupid to understand the answer I just sent you. You're here to waste my time and make excuses for your own decision to ignore obvious information when it doesn't validate your emotions. You're dismissed.

This isn't a crazy huge ask, either. Its the slightest amount of pushback in asking for clarification on what you believe, not what a devotional says (even if you wrote it yourself). Just a clear question to better understand your position. Is there a difference between all lust and all sexual desire? My personal answer is that they are synonyms, and that they can be sinful in many situations, but in other situations, they aren't sinful. That said, lust can be used to refer to a specific sin called "lust of the flesh" which is in opposition to the desires of the spirit, not referring to the types of desires that can be holy.

@ArchLuminous @PhrogPollenYT I went and read the highlighted part that you gave me. Is there a part of that link that you think answers my question? Its okay to admit you don't know the answer or that you need to do research to have a personal answer, btw

@cesar7360 Do you think KJV is saying something different?

What a stupid version Proverbs 29:25 (KJV) The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

@ArchLuminous @PhrogPollenYT How do I know if my desire is lust or good sexual desire?

@RedElementBlast @PhrogPollenYT hourofpower.org/the-lust-of-th….

@NovaAntimatter @ArchLuminous @PhrogPollenYT Out of curiosity, what would you say is the difference between lust and sexual desire?

@ArchLuminous @RedElementBlast @PhrogPollenYT This ^

@ArchLuminous @PhrogPollenYT What's the difference between sexual desire and lust?

@RedElementBlast @PhrogPollenYT Lots of people seem unable to understand the difference between lust and desiring a woman as your wife.

@friendlylockCLT Didn't Jesus define the way in John 14:6?