@Bravo_Clown @wil_da_beast630 It was a controversial and contested idea at the time, the South was testing a very audacious legal theory by going to seceding from & warring upon the Union to defend their right to expand & impose slavery.
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@Undetermineduse @wil_da_beast630 Character limit makes it hard to explain here fully. Maybe I should pay Elon.
Short version: it wasn't meant to be "easy". Each of "these United States", plural, was sovereign. The Constitution was a contract between states which the south saw as breached without recourse.
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"The Battle Hymn of the Republic" has entered the conversation.
Foote's a great if pro-Southern scholar, but the other famous song of the conflict - on the Northern side - was literally titled "John Brown's Body."
The idea that the Civil War was not primarily- 50+% - about slavery is not just dumb but funny: it comes down to the famous cent-right Chasing Goose Meme.
A: "It was about STATES' RIGHTS!!!"
B: "A state's right to do WHAT, motherfu*ker?!"
Clifton Hicks@amanofthesoil
"No soldier on either side gave a damn about the slaves." - Shelby Foote
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@Bravo_Clown @wil_da_beast630 I do not believe there was any solid understanding that the Union was an easy opt-in opt-out arrangement. It was wishful speculation.
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@Undetermineduse @wil_da_beast630 Pre-civil war, a common understanding of the Constitution was that states could control their internal economic affairs, and that states which voluntarily entered the union could leave it. The war changed the deal. If it had been over any other issue, we might sympathize.
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@Schtal2 @ludvonrand thats some wild fetish projection going on there
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@Bravo_Clown @wil_da_beast630 What power grab?
The South seceded over paranoia that a Republican president might do ANYTHING to impede on their special institution.
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@wil_da_beast630 "State's right to do what?"
To secede.
Slavery clearly played a leading role in the secession crisis. No one today defends it. But slavery was used as an excuse by the feds as a power grab. Slavery was and is evil, but the war was about rewriting the Constitution with blood.
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@AdmiralAegis No he nuked them for trying to gangrape and murder men protected under the guest protection of another man's roof.
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Oh yeah, because God totally didn't nuke two cities for butt sex.
Hazel Appleyard@HazelAppleyard
The cope is unreal with this one.
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@Elvish_Harper The easy answer is probably that getting a hugeass cruiser maneuvered so that it's hyperspace transition point is right inside an enemy vessel is technically possible but just not something that almost ever occurs. It'd be like modern missile cruisers ramming each other
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This is really, really, really simple, and doesn't require one to know a single thing about Star Wars or "the lore" or "the books" or any such thing. You just have to ask one simple question: if this obvious weapon is this insanely powerful, why was it never used before or again?
MarthsBars (FE, SW Mando/ST/TROS fan. Also on 🦋)@MarthsBars
I'll always defend TLJ's Holdo Maneuver as a stunning & crucial scene, & one that *works* in Star Wars. The takes claiming it "broke canon" are still so dumb. Eckhartsladder's animation saying it'd fail WITHOUT explaining WHY (just "it'd fail bc I said so") is still the worst.
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@Beemoo49622 @JadeAtrophis That is less plausible than your very specific version of God being real?
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@JadeAtrophis What’s even more absurd are the implications.
An obscure, ancient Levantine storm god cult managed to rapture the entire world and outlast multiple empires, endured into the modern age in a 4000 year ideological conquest (with no supernatural element) and did so because uhhhh
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This narrative is just completely fabricated by bitter historians who outright reject the reality of the situation btw
Florida Playboy@AngloPlayboy_
Christians be like "the local storm god of the Israelites is the greatest god of all, because we said so"
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@dccommonsense The endless copy pasted claims of 'statistical anomaly' or 'statistically impossible' in this thread.. It's remarkable how swiftly and effectively the Trump-adjacent crowd adopt new marching orders on what the days narrative is.
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Trump's constant crowing about election "rigging" is his "Big Lie". He says he doesn't need proof...he can just see it. Now he "sees" it in California."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". And we've seen none. It's conspiracy theory stuff.
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@FlopperKev7 @dccommonsense @BrianDBowers @idiotboy1999 @ExcelFrozeOver Schrodingers election being both blatantly obvious and impossible to prove.
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@dccommonsense @BrianDBowers @idiotboy1999 @ExcelFrozeOver Love you Dan, but if you discharge your emotion that you feel for Trump and objectively go over the information you were just shown, I think it’s very clear what’s going on. This whole “show me evidence” defense when it was just explained to you why that’s not possible is silly.
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@FFTMime @BillHouse9 @maklelan No I'm quite antagonistic to other ideological movements that wish to justify indiscriminate slaughter of entire peoples, not just yours.
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@Undetermineduse @BillHouse9 @maklelan threat to you. You don't get this way with others, right? It's just this. Precisely because it's this.
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I'm not an atheist, but the lane switching here is quite clearly on the part of the person pretending God commanding genocide & explicitly calling for the murder of innocent children & even babies is a non-evil way to stop evil. Good lord is your worldview depraved.
Christ Certified@ChristCert
Pick a lane atheists.
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@FFTMime @BillHouse9 @maklelan This is circular reasoning.
I should believe your God because of your scripture, and I should believe in your scripture because of your God?
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@Undetermineduse @BillHouse9 @maklelan Because it's scripture. You have God's assurance of scripture.
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@Undetermineduse @BillHouse9 @maklelan opinion. They serve rebel forces that uphold death itself as their way of BEING. And everyone who serves them dies with them WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
Then the people scream at the injustice and unkindness of God for stopping at nothing prevent this?
Absurd.
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@404_iq_notfound @Noahpinion If that was so then all the groypers and online alt-right weirdos would be trans too.
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@Noahpinion It's pretty simple really: There's an overlap between being excessively online and being a software engineer. The greatest engineers spent time in their youth in online spaces. Being trans is heavily predicated upon online influence. Couple that with being a nerd etc etc
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Has anyone ever managed to explain why so many of the best software engineers in the world are trans women? And why this same pattern doesn't show up in other technical fields?
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@Ya_boi_Lil_Bubz @9mmballpoint His point is retarded.
I can think vikings are really cool and interesting to study without wanting to live alongside the crazy fuckers.
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@9mmballpoint I like how you didn't even deny any of his points either lmao.
"I'm the beneficiary of thousands of years of European influence and my entire moral framework is derived from European philosophy. But I have no problem with them being eradicated"
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This is an unintentionally fascinating look into the right-wing brain, because they treat human history with the same emotionally stunted nostalgia as they do their own childhoods.
ℜ𝔞𝔢@dystopiangf
Leftists who nerd out about Vikings, Celtic music, Ancient Greek philosophy, or anything to do with European history & culture confuse me so much. It’s like, “Otters are my favorite animals :) I can’t wait for them all to go extinct :))”
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@FFTMime @BillHouse9 @maklelan Whether war can ever be just or not is wholly apart from my question.
The pagan people's slaughtered people in the name of their God.
The Jews and Christians slaughtered people in the name of their God.
Both claimed their actions were just. Why should view you differently?
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@Undetermineduse @BillHouse9 @maklelan Here's a question for you to test the temperature of what has been taught to you by other men.
Is war wrong? Inherently?
It is not. God was at war with the rebel spiritual forces in those days at that! Israel being on God's side, the pagan nations on the other. This is not
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@poliorketes000 @DiodLeAnarchist -despite being entirely unarmed. They exerted authority that overrode the desires of the armed men themselves, and of the state commanding them, respectively.
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@poliorketes000 @DiodLeAnarchist The state monopoly on violence rests on its ability to convince the violentors that the states dictate and monopoly is legitimate. George Washington was able to turn a hall of angry mutineers into a sobbing mess with a short speech, and Napoleon took over entire armies-
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I wish right-wingers weren't such philosophical idealists. No, women did not "choose" to ruin society through feminism. Ideas are NOT what makes the world go round, but material conditions. Non feminist societies (like China) are collapsing too.
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@poliorketes000 @DiodLeAnarchist Yet the world is not run by armed gangs. The implicit threat of violence is an empty vehicle without a legitimate authority to empower it. It's why completely unarmed people can influence and dictate the decisions and actions of armed folk.
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@Undetermineduse @DiodLeAnarchist No, it's a basic understanding of where authority actually comes from.
What's silly is thinking laws have any power without the implicit threat of violence that enforces them.
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@poliorketes000 @DiodLeAnarchist This is very silly. It's like saying laws only pass because the military allows it.
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@DiodLeAnarchist Women had nothing to do with it. Feminism only advanced because men allowed it.
See Afghanistan and plenty of other developing nations where they never gave such ideas any truck.
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