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Tim Urban
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy·
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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𝓐 ⭑@ayojoestar·
Part of having a big vocabulary is using words you don't exactly know the definition of but for some reason you know you're using it right
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Athan🍉
Athan🍉@AthanTheGuy·
people really need to realize that even if you’re groomed into racism it’s still your responsibility to unlearn that shit and grow into a better person
William F. HausNicka@freakenomenon

"they were groomed into racism!" YES YES YES NIGGA THATS HOW RACISM WORKS. HATRED IS TAUGHT. im not going to kiss the feet of every KKK member or red hat on the street because i saw a vision of their parents telling them to hate niggas. this excuse is mindless.

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yakra@txnoco·
@agrippa_dr @ZPostFacto i refuse it being a math problem you are introducing unnecessary complexity to a ethical (logical at most) problem. it is not a logical conclusion (which people will base their choice on) that an option which eliminates death does not reduce death
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Agrippa
Agrippa@agrippa_dr·
@txnoco @ZPostFacto I did the actual math and shared it with you. I calculated the EVs. The difference between me and you is you just keep asserting it’s true without any evidence and I provided proof it’s not true.
Agrippa@agrippa_dr

@txnoco @ZPostFacto You can formulate it several ways, but basically you have to distribute the lives saved by all blue votes equally across all blue voters. Even in a bare majority breaking scenario, there’s no reason to assign your vote as the tie breaking vote.

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Fletcher Dunn
Fletcher Dunn@ZPostFacto·
Imo, most of Team Blue totally understands Red's arguments, but they disagree with the framing or assumptions. otoh, most Red-pushers I've interacted cannot really articulate what the Blue position is. So they knock down a straw man. The replies to this post will prove it.
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yakra@txnoco·
@Duke_Jukes @TittiesLamao @EditionA3 @waitbutwhy 1. then you admit to not bother saving lives of those who employed their free will in a way you don't agree with 2. the dilemma is inanimate and does not states every unterstanding person, you assumed. i said person not child, again you assumed. 3. contradiction still unadressed
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Duke
Duke@Duke_Jukes·
@txnoco @TittiesLamao @EditionA3 @waitbutwhy 1: I believe that every life's free will is more valuable than the life itself 2: the dilemma assumes every voter understands the dilemma. Stop using children as a shield 3: see point one. Your free will is your own choice, it is not my fault you have chosen possible death.
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yakra@txnoco·
@agrippa_dr @ZPostFacto i have not accepted it since i am stating that this correlation is true on the button situation, not that is a general rule. constructing inaccurate comparisons may demonstrate it is not a rule but cannot negate the fact that it is true on the situation
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Agrippa
Agrippa@agrippa_dr·
@txnoco @ZPostFacto So if you have accepted that maximizing likelihood of saving everyone does not necessarily maximize expected number of lives saved, they you would actually need to calculate the expected number of lives saved for each. Which I did already earlier. Which part are you missing?
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yakra@txnoco·
@agrippa_dr @ZPostFacto sorry you do not disprove a situation by making another. it is not a rule under scrutiny it is the situation itself
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Agrippa
Agrippa@agrippa_dr·
@txnoco @ZPostFacto Maximizing the chance no one dies does not necessarily mean maximizing the expected number of lives saved. I showed this by giving a counter example. It doesn’t matter if that counter example differs in other ways, it disproves the general rule.
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yakra@txnoco·
@Duke_Jukes @TittiesLamao @EditionA3 @waitbutwhy 1. do you believe every life is worth saving? 2. do you believe every person is capable of logic and reason when choosing between red and blue? 3. "we claim no moral high ground we simply hear God telling us" this is a crystalline contradiction
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Duke
Duke@Duke_Jukes·
@txnoco @TittiesLamao @EditionA3 @waitbutwhy Jesus literally died so we wouldn't have to die by choosing red, us reds claim no moral high ground, we simply hear God telling us that our own life is worth preserving. God does not command us to end the greatest gift he has ever given us by our own free will.
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yakra@txnoco·
@agrippa_dr @ZPostFacto i ask in good faith if I'm interpreting correcly: do you mean that it is not a general requirement as in not always the case but it is the case in the button dilemma?
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Agrippa
Agrippa@agrippa_dr·
@txnoco @ZPostFacto I would refer you to the simple example I gave you. I acknowledge it is not exactly like the real question, the purpose of it was for you to understand there is not a *general* requirement that maximizing the chance of saving everyone also maximizes the expected number saved.
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