Dodo Doctrine

@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Are you suggesting there were empty homes to walk into and inhabit, unused farms and groves and shops to take over, “40 miles away”?

@jeffspross Please explain how they were screwed badly other than having to move 40 miles away?

This is a great example of how you can’t really appreciate how badly the Palestinian Arabs got screwed by the Zionist project without recognizing that the way market capitalism constructs and distributes property rights for land is often deeply unjust and antisocial.

@steveplotnicki @shawarmawarma @PDahu @DavidKlion State the inference, swami.

@underverse @shawarmawarma @PDahu @DavidKlion Except he disagrees with the false inference that you think flows from that.

What's funny is the biblical account (while admittedly mythical and not a basis for contemporary international law in any case) completely contradicts this... which any Jew who just had a seder ought to be freshly aware of.

@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion I’m simply establishing that Plotnicki’s claim was false. Sounds like you agree. All good.

@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion Why would they be singularly bound to a mandate the Arabs refused in favor of winning all of their demands in war? Which the Arabs lost, despite the odds?

@neuroticjewgay Favoring or opposing specific political formations is not “discrimination.”

Discrimination based on national origin=being principled, reasonable, and kind.

@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion So Israel only occupied the lands duly granted by UN mandate, is that your claim?

@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion Israel agreed to the UN Plan, so they aren't incorrect that it wasn't unilaterally taken. The Arabs refused that plan, waged war, and lost.

@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion If you scroll up, you’ll see Plotnicki’s claim that Israel didn’t take land, it was mandated land by the UN. The map is a valuable corrective for this notion.

@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion How is the UN plan on the borders, and the resulting refusal of international consensus/ where the borders end up post war relevant? Really?

@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion How is this question relevant to where the borders are?

@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion The ones which Israel accepted and the Arabs refused due to their belief it would be an easy war for them?

@steveplotnicki @PDahu @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion Have you seen the map of the UN partition plan demarking Israel’s “mandated” borders, by any chance?

@PDahu @underverse @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion They didn't declare their own country. The U.N. mandated it to them first.

@steveplotnicki @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion What does land ownership have to do with anything? Are renters in the US owed less due process than homeowners? You’re taking blood and soil a little too literally.

@underverse @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion See below. The Ottoman Empire emancipated its Jews in 1856 and modernized their land ownership laws in 1858. It was a prime motivator for Russian Jews to emigrate to Palestine as they could buy land. The Arabs did not adjust to these changes.

@steveplotnicki @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion This is a bizarre statement. Was the Ottoman Empire a real estate concern? The issue is sovereignty, not mortgages.

@FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion That's actually wrong. They lived on the land but didn't own it. The land was owned by Ottomans and Egyptians. This is why their equitable claim is weak.

@Amalektgh I doubt that very much. You want to be seen as in-the-right. That’s human nature. If you were indifferent to being accused of nazism, you wouldn’t be scrumming on twitter about it.

@underverse I could care less what you think.

Tough problem. I guess if the IDF can’t reach the sheltered and fortressed Hamas thing, the next best thing is to blow up the children.

@Amalektgh Because my country supplies them with billions of $$ in arms and aid, and I don’t want our tax base funding war crimes.

@underverse Why are you so concerned about what Israel does?🥱

@Amalektgh I notice you haven’t even tried to deny that your rationale for the civilians deaths in Gaza is the same employed by the Nazis. In fact you seem very comfortable with the overweening logic.

@Amalektgh Why are you so concerned with what other entities do, or to what extent I’ve condoned or condemned them? The standards are the standards. Even if I were motivated by antisemitism that wouldn’t negate anyone’s obligation to observe them.

@Amalektgh Especially when the excuse is that violating those standards is the only way to protect a specific ethnic group.

@Amalektgh I’m not “demanding” anything. I’m just pointing out the obvious, that there are global standards on armed conduct, and that rejecting them puts you in ugly company.

@Amalektgh I’ll say again, this is fascist ideology. You don’t think any humanitarian standards should intrude on the operations of the security state as long as they only harm other ethnicities. So did the Nazis. Congratulations, you’ve come a long way, baby.

@underverse Well too bad. If Hamas can’t protect its kids, maybe it should stop starting wars or whining about the inevitable outcome. Nobody cares about your phony concern for kids - that is basically an attempt to hamstring Jews while holding Arabs responsible for nothing

@Amalektgh @IgnoreKassandra @squirrelpsps @JonahPlatt This is Third Reich ideology. The Nazis also thought their chosen race was at such serious risk that humanitarian principles could not be trusted to protect them.

@IgnoreKassandra @squirrelpsps @JonahPlatt “If they're not what the hell is the point of keeping either of you around?” this isn’t 1944 anymore and Jews are no longer betting their survival on the benevolence of “good” people like you. The narcissistic arrogance of thinking you decide if Jews are worth keeping around.

Masterclass in demagoguery from Ms. Rachel: "Wanting kids to live isn't antisemitic." True sentence. Five words. Zero accountability. A whole community smeared. Because in that framing, the only reason Jews would object... is that they don't want kids to live. This is what modern Jew-hatred looks like dressed up as kindness.

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