@makingtronics @BeGotGame2 There is literally zero argument for cp3 over harden lol. Cp3 need to join harden to make it past the second round in their primes. Harden has him beat in every category
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@BeGotGame2 cp3 and nash are the two best players on this list by a fat margin come on man
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Final and Proper placement of all the recent discourse
Harden
Nash
Brunson
CP3
Westbrook
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Kyrie
Ku 🦉@KuKhahil
Just listened to bill Simmons say Brunson is better than Steve Nash, yeah time to wrap it up
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@receptionlivid @SJBasketbal8 I am not the one saying it. He is and I said to be consistent
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@Testergxe @SJBasketbal8 Bro slow down...one, he's not better than Luka, but I can see the debate.
2, Brunson isn't top 25 All time, c'mon.
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some of y’all enjoy these pointless all time debates on here more than actual hoops. it’s why y’all keep bringing up luka as a “clap back” to me over these tweets lol. y’all’s feelings are hurt for some reason lol. these twitter arguments do not matter man. pls free yourselves
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Get the fuck out of here. Pierce had a superteam in Boston and still only won once. JB took over on the road in an elimination game, dropped 13 consecutive points in the 4th. One of the most clutch players ever
Barstool Boston@BarstoolBoston
Paul Pierce is closer to Michael Jordan than Jalen Brunson is to Paul Pierce.
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@TheChiefNemesis @murphdogg29 @TimetoRebuildit @JoshEberley You are just saying the same old talking points. We are talking about ringless players. This shit doesn’t work because everyone is ringless for a reason. What have the ones who haven’t won a ring done “when it matters” harden has won more games than all of them
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@Testergxe @murphdogg29 @TimetoRebuildit @JoshEberley Did you miss the Eastern Conference Finals where the Knicks hunted him on every single possession? Did you forget about how Harden routinely disappears in the playoffs when it matters most? There's a reason his teams fall short year after year.
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Curry? Harden? Nash?
Tony Parker:
6x All-Star
4x All-NBA
Finals MVP
4x Champion
Hall of Fame
Jalen Brunson;
3x All-Star
3x All-NBA
Finals MVP
Champion
Masses trying to hoist Brunson 50 spots ahead of Parker; can we not enjoy what we watched without this level of standom?
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@SJBasketbal8 Just like Luka who is now starting to be seen as a fatass who can’t stay healthy or play defense.
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ngl to y’all, i’d rather be seen as being a clutch demon than a choker when it matters most lol
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nxte01@yrgnxte
Brunson role players get to turn into Peak Kawhi and it don’t matter cuz he can 4th quarter magnet his way to Fmvp after shooting 6/18 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
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@TheChiefNemesis @murphdogg29 @TimetoRebuildit @JoshEberley They hunted your guy wemby too. I didn’t know one series determines if someone is a winning player. I literally gave you data. 29 teams fall short every year. Is Jokic a losing play the last two years. What about Giannis the last five years? Or LeBron the last six years ?
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@realcavsfans Maybe it’s mutual that they want to give it one more year and then part ways
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It makes sense for Donovan to wait and extend (although there is injury and bad play risk) but it absolutely does not benefit the Cavs to wait.
How committed to Donovan is Koby if he says wait for me next year?
ESPN Cleveland@ESPNCleveland
"I think the Cavs and Donovan are in a very good place and I think everybody should be prepared the eventuality that he does not extend," - @WindhorstESPN explains why it makes more sense for Donovan Mitchell to sign a Cavs extension NEXT summer.
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@schimax @JoshEberley That’s what I am saying. Brunson should be top 25 all time then but they just use Brunson has a way to push agendas against players they don’t like
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@JoshEberley By this logic, shouldn't Brunson also be considered better than John Stockton and Charles Barkley, then?
If the whole point is to win as an alpha, then anyone without a Finals MVP should be lower than Brunson.
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Listen. I’m genuinely fascinated by this whole thing. Is the regular season now the preseason? Like we are just watching 82 to kill time?
Bill Simmons@BillSimmons
Explained this on the pod but this was the exact same calculus I did for my Book of Basketball — being the undeniable alpha of a title team matters the most. In 2009 I had Wade at 28, Walton at 27, Barry at 26 and Isiah at 23. The whole point of basketball is to win the title.
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@Apdupz @goatedjrd @Daemondestiny @ash4nd1021 He was awful in the first round, mediocre in the second round, and almost a liability in the finals.
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@Testergxe @goatedjrd @Daemondestiny @ash4nd1021 In the finals run he had 1 great series which was Minnesota but ye this dudes just delusional about Luka he thinks he best in league right now aswell lol
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“Losing the Brunson battle” like that ain’t pass Luka bitch ass too if we doing this lol
SJ@SJBasketbal8
harden fans really strong lol. fighting wade battles after a second round win and now they relegated to fighting brunson battles lol. mind you, they losing both of these battles and wars lol
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@xbdhdhj @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 Brunson is statistically clutchest player since Michael Jordan in the playoffs. And you still don’t get it. I think Luka is better than Brunson but if you are using winning as the sole determiner of who is better, Brunson is better than Luka. There are zero exceptions
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@Testergxe @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 Ain’t no one taking Brunson over Luka at any point in the game, Luka’s won his team playoff games in the last 5 minutes many times
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@Apdupz @goatedjrd @Daemondestiny @ash4nd1021 This is why Luka getting zero rings is important to me because the way people talk about him compared to other ringless guards is insane. Him getting zero rings will keep ring culture in check
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@Testergxe @goatedjrd @Daemondestiny @ash4nd1021 He be saying luka get one ring he above everyone except Steph and bron and he is gonna be there biggest rival 😂
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@xbdhdhj @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 You purposely chose 2017-2019 instead of 2018-2020 lol. But all is good because Luka in the 2024 finals averaged 29/9/6 on 47/24/59 splits so 53 TS with 5 turnovers a game. He choked by your logic
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@goatedjrd @Testergxe @Daemondestiny @ash4nd1021 I mean for you ye u think Luka up there with Steph and bron lmao
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@xbdhdhj @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 I don’t view facing the superteam one series earlier and losing 4-3 worse than facing the superteam in the finals and losing 4-1. Not to mention, the Celtics are way worse than warriors team and harden lost his co star after going up 3-2
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@Testergxe @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 Do you want to talk about hardens numbers in the most important games of the playoff series. How Luka and Harden lost were not the same. Luka’s run in 2024 would be the crowning achievement of hardens career he’s never lead his team to the finals, especially not a underdog team
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@xbdhdhj @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 James harden played the greatest team ever in his prime. He had to beat consisting of Steph curry and kd to get to the finals. From 2017-2019, harden led teams were 5-8 agaisnt the Kd warriors . The rest of the league was 5-28.
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@Testergxe @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 Not all ringless discourse is the same Luka’s team has lost once when they should’ve won and even that time they only should’ve won cause Luka is that great to elevate a flawed roster. He consistently has taken his team further than they’re supposed to go.
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@xbdhdhj @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 He’s better in the clutch . That’s the whole fucking argument for Brunson over the more accomplished players you retard
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@goatedjrd @Testergxe @ash4nd1021 Yeah I don’t think you could ignore the regular seasons either, and it’s not that far fetched to think prime Harden could win with the Knicks. Ain’t no argument for Brunson over Luka though, there’s not a single thing Brunson’s better at
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@xbdhdhj @goatedjrd @ash4nd1021 Luka runs consist of torching single coverage in two first round exits, one wcf run where he was injured in the first round and Brunson carried. And one finals run where he was bad 3/4 series. Then regressing every year after
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