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"If simplicity comes from trust, it is not simplicity. It is surrender. "
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@DeFiMidas What's their thesis that Ethereum will outperform as a store of value asset?
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Would you have a sculpture like this displayed in your home/office if it was real?
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@endpointeth @EricBalchunas @JSeyff Your network allows frontrunning. Make a trade on Ethereum, your transaction is reordered and money stolen.
Calling it “secure” couldn’t be further from the truth
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Q: How much faster is Solana than Ethereum? I've seen a variety of answers on internet. What would you say and who is the best legit source to use? @JSeyff
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Application security ≠ Protocol security.
Grok total protocol downtime ETH v SOL. Or perhaps Grok amount of unique protocol implementations ETH v SOL. Or Decentralization, node requirements, and general design philosophy ETH v SOL.
When it comes to security there's no comparison
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@endpointeth @EricBalchunas @JSeyff Lol Grok total value of hacks ETH v SOL
Not even close is that a good enough measure?
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@bodhicitta777 @EricBalchunas @JSeyff Ethereum foundation doesn't control clients. Clients don't control what people run.
The requirement hasn't materially changed since inception: Consumer grade laptop. You can even run it on an Orange Pi 5 plus. You can read more here:
…m-on-arm-documentation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/#
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@endpointeth @EricBalchunas @JSeyff Neither of them are safe. What are the requirements to run an eth node and why is it so easy to change for the eth foundation?
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@DavidOfSolana @EricBalchunas @JSeyff ETH is the best crypto SoV asset we have, think Bitcoin but without the Quantum and Security budget risks.
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@endpointeth @EricBalchunas @JSeyff How does value accrue to Eth? It all goes to the layer 2.
BTW...Layer 2s are centralized, so what's the point?
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There's a reason it's called settlement. The idea is that the "unsafe corpo chain" does it's "trust be bro" transactions and when it's ready to commit to them: it then submits a cryptographic proof to a contract on L1.
As a user you can use this proof to get your funds out on L1. After settlement trust is no longer needed, The corpo chain can go offline for all you care. That's why this works.
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Seeing a lot of this today. Totally illogical.
This stance says “use totally centralized unsafe corp chain who will then settle those ‘trust me bro’ transactions on the super safe L1.”
endpoint.eth 🦇🔊@endpointeth
@EricBalchunas @JSeyff The smarter question: How much safer is Ethereum than Solana? At the base layer (L1) only security matters, this is where global finance is settled. Speed at this layer is a red herring. Corporate rollups can have as much speed as required and then settle to Ethereum.
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@ryanberckmans Flippening on the upswing would have been preferred, but we might get it on the downswing instead.
We might see lower prices across the board, but Ethereum will rise from the ashes like a phoenix and the world will have it's new #1. From there it's free sailing.
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As a concentrated ETH investor, I spend most of my time thinking about why we're *not* going to hit multi trillion.
BTC collapsing due to a quantum disaster (real attack or market pricing it earlier) has become perhaps the top bear factor for ETH, because ETHBTC is unlikely to rise enough to offset the fall in BTCUSD.
In the real world, what ETH investors want is
- strong BTCUSD
- rising ETHBTC due to eth growing to global ubiquity
- Bitcoin investors confidently diversifying into ETH
- other investors buying ETH directly
That's how we actually get to multi trillion ETH (~$17k+ ETH)
Brian's new personal involvement in leading Bitcoin through its quantum crisis is crucial and bullish. Hope to see Tether's Paolo join this effort.
Brian Armstrong@brian_armstrong
Going to start spending time on this personally - seems like we all need to solve it sooner rather than later.
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@Kluckies_ You are right. No reason to read the paper.
Keep sleeping 🙏
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@DeFi_Dad Ya do realize it’s a classic multisign breach right
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roll back Solana, problem solved 👋
raj 🖤@rajgokal
roll back ethereum, there's precedent for this
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@Gingerballs6942 @ZynxBTC The paper was written by Google.
One EF researcher was interested and became co-author.
Pretty telling that no Bitcoin dev cares enough to be on these papers.
pq.ethereum.org
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@ZynxBTC The paper was written by the Etherium foundation
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The Bitcoin community must prepare for the biggest astroturfing campaign we have ever seen.
It's clear that quantum will be the major attack vector against Bitcoin for the next few years until a conclusive solution is found.
Most of the FUD will be completely unfounded and intended to separate you from your coins.
Do not underestimate the vested interest in pushing this narrative far beyond what is necessary because they stand to benefit enormously.
Think quantum VC funds and shitcoins trying to promote themselves as "quantum resistant" alternatives.
And the attention seekers. Never forget about them.
While it is clear that the Bitcoin network needs to become quantum resistant, please understand that some of the smartest developers in the world are working on this and have been for years.
Most of the discussion does not happen in public but believe it is a priority and of upmost importance.
Bitcoin will be fine.
nic carter@nic_carter
Many are wondering "what Google saw" that caused them to revise their post-quantum cryptography transition deadline to 2029 last week. It was this: research.google/blog/safeguard…
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@JAFA_HODL @ZynxBTC Because they are centralized and are not built from the ground up on basic cryptographic fundamentals?
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@ZynxBTC Yes, I agree. Bitcoin eventually will be fine.
But Bitcoin devs can decide whether it is going through a messy process or not.
People don't want the messy process.
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@CryptoValueLabs @ZynxBTC What's your favorite solution? As I see it it is practically impossible to solve without serious tradeoffs
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@ZynxBTC Y2K of crypto. So much noise. So easy to solve.
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@reardencode @ZynxBTC because the unicorn farts can derive private keys from public keys. And as google has shown with this new research paper, they'll be here soon.
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@ZynxBTC Why is it clear that the bitcoin network must become unicorn fart resistant?
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@JosefTetek Unbelievable. Ethereum Foundation has invented Quantum computing just to mess with bitcoin!
They can't keep doing this
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When you're dropping the new bitcoin FUD but forget to update your LinkedIn...
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@ma_broome @leeyak09 @nic_carter Difference is it's pretty easy to upgrade centralised systems. For pieces of IT infra that is vulnerable the Bank CEO just pays devs a bunch and upgrades.
Bitcoin.. is a different story.
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@leeyak09 @nic_carter So we need to fix "ALL" all banking. Even the ones much bigger the BTC.
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Look mom, @nic_carter dropped another quantum FUD to drive his VC investments.
Wake me up when it is able to factor any number using Shor's algorithm without knowing the result in advance.
The quantum computer industry needs to push these kinds of claims to stay relevant and keep VCs pumping money into quantum solutions.
If you fall for this nonsense as an imminent threat, you are all toast.
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In the movie "don't look up" a large comet is approaching earth. It's clearly visible in the sky. But people are still convinced that it's not happening. People saying it's real are ousted as crazy.
The Quantum threat is equally real, and fast approaching. The ability to derive private keys from public keys is coming. But the bitcoin community is insisting that the threat is somehow not even real.
This comparison is spot on.
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After reading some of the responses from the Bitcoin community regarding the quantum risk, I can’t help but think of the movie “Don’t Look Up” 🙃
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@BattleJeff1 @ec265 Even this wouldn't solve the P2PK problem
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To be fair, BitMain can release a firmware update that requires miners to login their BitMain account, otherwise the machine wouldn't function. And make the login process quantum resistant. Boom, 90% of Bitcoin mining suddenly become quantum resistant.
The thing is BitMain can also inject a 51% attack switch or a censorship blacklist this way. They can do it today. So much for PoW decentralization 🤣
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*taps the sign*
The quantum timeline is only going to accelerate
Blockchains without effective social coordination are fundamentally broken
Ethereum consistently tackles the important problems head on
Proactive, not reactive
This is resilience
Etc.@ec265
"Quantum isn't a problem for X years" This is such a naive take Failing to prepare is preparing to fail Everything that can be done, should be done...right now Hoping that it just sorts itself out and kicking the can down the road is not a solution Security of digital assets should be non-negotiable - digital assets without security are quite literally worthless We've already seen this with Bitcoin's security budget crisis - these issues need to be tackled head on for the best possible outcome It's yet another sign of short termism - "it doesn't matter because I will be in and out of the trade before it's an issue" Anyone suggesting that it's not a problem for today is simply looking to maximise short term fiat gains - this in itself isn't a problem, but it's important that you understand their motives As it happens, I maintain that the best investment case in the longrun lies with the blockchains that are dealing with quantum and that tackle issues head on With each passing day we get closer to a future eventuality - the window of ignorance is closing In a couple of years time the landscape is going to look very different than it is today, but one thing I am confident on is that those who have post-quantum figured out will be in an advantaged position
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