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@jeremykauffman My favorite Book of Mormon scripture is when God mocks the modern Christians.
2 Nephi 29:3-4
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@over_educated @Primary_Pianist “Why is Smiths polygamy, bigamy, pedophilia and lying about it relevant to the cult he founded”
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Claim: The Book of Mormon contradicts later LDS practice because Jacob 2 condemns polygamy.
Let's read the whole chapter.
Jacob condemns the Nephites for practicing plural marriage while citing David and Solomon as justification.
But then comes the key verse:
"For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things." (Jacob 2:30)
In other words:
The default rule is one man and one woman.
If God commands otherwise for His own purposes, He can do so.
That's exactly the pattern found in the Bible.
Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, and others lived in periods where plural marriage existed.
The Book of Mormon isn't contradicting itself.
It's establishing the rule and acknowledging God's right to make exceptions.
True Patriot@True_Patriot_1x
If then anything is contradictory in this New Testimony (BoM) it should immediately be scrutinized especially if it came 1800 years after the first testimony was established. If we find multiple things that are contradictory then we should Not Trust this New Testimony. Nature of the Fall and Original Sin BoM: Adam and Eve’s transgression was necessary and fortunate (“a fall forward”) for joy, progress, and having children (2 Nephi 2:22-25). Little children are not accountable for sin (Moroni 8:8-12). Bible: Adam’s sin brought mortality, sin, and death to humanity (Romans 5:12-19; Genesis 3). It is a tragic fall requiring redemption. 2. Salvation by Grace vs. Works BoM: “For we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23; see also Moroni 10:32). Bible: Salvation “by grace… through faith… not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5; Titus 3:5). The BoM adds a works requirement absent in Paul’s teaching. 3. Skin Color and Curses BoM: Dark skin as a curse/mark for iniquity on the Lamanites (2 Nephi 5:21; Alma 3:6-9; 3 Nephi 2:15 describes it being removed). Bible: No racial curses tied to skin color in this way; all nations under the same sin (Acts 17:26; Galatians 3:28). This is contradicting the Bible’s “color-blind” view of sin and humanity. 4. Jesus’ Birthplace BoM: “Born of Mary, at Jerusalem” (Alma 7:10). Bible: Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7). This is a clear geographical error, there are 2 cities between Bethlehem and Jerusalem. Jerusalem was a city not a region. 5. Duration of Darkness at Crucifixion BoM: Darkness for three days (Helaman 14:20, 27; 3 Nephi 8:3, 19-23). Bible: Darkness for three hours (Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44). 6. Pre-Christian Knowledge of Christ, Church, Christians, and Practices BoM: Detailed knowledge of Jesus, baptism, church organization, and “Christians” centuries before His birth (e.g., Mosiah 18:17 ~147 BC; Alma 46:15; 2 Nephi 25:19; prayers/baptism in Christ’s name pre-1st century). Bible: Jesus’ church built during/after His ministry (Matthew 16:18); believers first called Christians at Antioch (Acts 11:26); Holy Ghost in fuller measure at Pentecost (Acts 2); revelation of Christ primarily post-resurrection in the NT context. 7. Tower of Babel and Language BoM: Jaredites’ language not confounded (Ether 1:33-37). Bible: God confounded “the language of all the earth” (Genesis 11:1-9) 8. Nature of God (Early BoM vs. Later LDS Doctrine) Early BoM passages align with oneness/unchangeability (e.g., Mosiah 15; Alma 11:44; Moroni 8:18). LDS developments (God as exalted man with a body, plurality of gods) conflict with Bible verses on God as spirit, unchanging, one God (John 4:24; Malachi 3:6; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6) Polygamy (Jacob 2:24-27 condemns it vs. later allowances). The BoM claims to restore “plain and precious truths” lost from the Bible (1 Nephi 13). Joseph Smith also added a lot of this plain and precious parts into his JST Bible including adding prophecy about himself to Genesis. The evidence points to the BoM and Joseph Smith as being unreliable and fraudulent as they do not confirm what was already said in the Bible but instead contradict it. Showing that the BoM is not of divine origin. The Bible has been proven to be of divine origin.
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@abby_palmer1 @Primary_Pianist These types of Christians don’t believe in the old testament
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@Primary_Pianist God dont make exceptions. It is against His nature. To say one thing then the opposite. He said one man one woman. Just because many people in the Bible had multiple wives, it does not mean He said they could. That is a cultural issue not God allowing it. God dont change.
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@abby_palmer1 @Primary_Pianist So Abraham was a wicked sinner they died in his sexual perversions?
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@PaulieGee2004 @Primary_Pianist Have you seen all the kids from Brigham Young? Why is Smiths polygamy relevant?
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@Primary_Pianist Even in your example “raise up seed unto me”
Smith cultists claim his polygamy had no children. Thus no seed was raised unto God.
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@wil_da_beast630 @travis4nh He’s still a violent Resentful. Can’t let them have power
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I don't think Graham Platner actually "is a Nazi" - i.e., someone who supports the goals of the German NSDAP political party.
I think he is a former alcoholic mercenary, who got one of the most famous Nazi symbols as a tattoo to show he is a "killer," and is currently struggling with giant infidelity and woman-abuse scandals.
Watching lib-fem type friends passionately support him is thus, still, very funny.
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Jesus, “Marriage is 1 man & 1 woman.”
The Apostle Paul, “Marriage is 1 man & 1 woman.”
The false prophet Mohammad, “Marriage is 1 man & many woman. Also, women won in battle belong to the Muslim conquerer.”
The false prophet Joseph Smith, “Marriage is 1 man & many woman. Also, the wives of other men can be taken and sealed to Smith because God told him he could.”
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"Mormons are so kind and decent. How could you say Mormonism is satanic?"
"If Satan took over a city, all of the bars would be closed, pornography banished, and pristine streets would be filled with tidy pedestrians who smiled at each other.
There would be no swearing. The children would say "Yes, sir" and "No, ma'am," and the churches would be full every Sunday...where Christ was not preached.”
— Donald Grey Barnhouse
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Show Mormons where their beliefs contradicts the Bible and they just hit you with ‘well I guess we’ll find out when we die.’
Dude, that’s wild. Zero fear of God, zero love for truth. If you’re not even bothered by whether your beliefs are actually true, that’s not humility, that’s reckless.
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@ztrussell Oh, as usual, he’s a professional Trinitarian. Always talking their book.
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@ztrussell Substituting Trinitarianism with Christianity to deceive and misdirect. You operate like Satan.
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It's unnecessary to disprove Mormonism to show that it is not Christianity.
Mormonism is founded on the rejection of Christianity.
LDS members will say "Creedal Christianity" became corrupt and only their church is the true version––but this is just special pleading.
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@TFL1728 @lidacamille We are at week 30 and the wife spends too much time online searching for cows
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This was @lidacamille's story 20 years ago....
Sama Hoole@SamaHoole
The label reading evolution: Week 1: "I'll cut sunflower oil from the cupboard. Done." Week 2: "Why is rapeseed oil in the bread." Week 3: "Why is sunflower oil in the hummus." Week 4: "Why is canola oil in the pesto." Week 6: "The shop is now taking ninety minutes." Week 8: "There's seed oil in the tinned tomatoes." Week 10: "The 'olive oil mayonnaise' is 96% rapeseed." Week 14: "Asking waiters what they fry the chips in. Nobody knows." Week 18: "Bringing a small bottle of tallow to dinner parties." Week 22: "Rendering my own dripping on a Sunday." Week 26: "Pricing up half a cow and a chest freezer." Week 30: "Considering whether the garden could support a heifer." Week 36: "Naming the heifer." The descent into paranoia is just pattern recognition arriving in real time.
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Okay, so here's the thing. If you're going to say that LDS worships a different Jesus, then you're going to have to explain how there were two Jesus' born in Bethlehem, ministered with the same exact words, were both crucified and died, were both raised from the dead. That, or you have to admit, that we have a different understanding of the same person.
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The problem here is the idea that the LDS worship Jesus might be something most would affirm today, but their theology isn't so neat and tidy, e.g.:
"We worship the Father and him only and no one else. We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost." --Bruce R. McConkie, 1982
Trevor Tomesh ☕@realDrTT
I disagree with the latter part. Latter-day Saints sincerely worship Jesus Christ and intend to worship the Jesus revealed in Scripture (just as we, Nicene Christians, intend to worship the Jesus revealed in Scripture). However, LDS theology understands Jesus differently in essential ways—especially regarding His eternal divinity, His relation to the Father, and the nature of God. We can recognize their devotion to Jesus while also being honest that we do not share precisely the same doctrine of who Jesus is.
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I disagree with the latter part.
Latter-day Saints sincerely worship Jesus Christ and intend to worship the Jesus revealed in Scripture (just as we, Nicene Christians, intend to worship the Jesus revealed in Scripture). However, LDS theology understands Jesus differently in essential ways—especially regarding His eternal divinity, His relation to the Father, and the nature of God.
We can recognize their devotion to Jesus while also being honest that we do not share precisely the same doctrine of who Jesus is.
Dimitri Federico@DimitriFed
The LDS people I have known are lovely and wonderful humans. I respect them and their right to believe whatever they want. The resistance they're getting online is due to their insistence that they be included in Christendom when they worship a wholly different Jesus and reject the core tenets of salvation.
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@tom_barmadillo Crazy that these Christians can’t imagine there are other people in the world besides Jerusalem and Christ would visit them. I guess Christ was only for the jews. But they escalate and say Christ CANNOT visit and teach others in the world. Amazoning
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Christ did no such thing. You're thinking of the spirit brother of Lucifer, who is a demon.
Dem Saints@LDS_Dems
@tom_barmadillo Now you are moving the goal posts. If Christ truly came to the Americas and visited the people here as a resurrected being and taught them the Gospel.... wouldn't you want to know? Wouldn't you want to read about it?
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@ion_eyes All places where the Joseph Smith Translation show a significant difference are where it has been corrupted, intentionally or accidentally. Yes, I’ve read the bible cover to cover.
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I've met plenty of LDS that are absolutely convinced the Bible has been purposefully corrupted & we can't trust all of it completely
Yet they've never read all of it & can't point me to where it was specifically been corrupted, either
Natural Theist@AleMartnezR1
@CapturingChrist Not a good work. He did not fully read the book of Mormon (a 30%), yet, he had a "devasting case" against?
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@LadyDemosthenes Our differences are like those computer games where there is a map of the playing space, but much of the board is darkened. It is revealed as explored.LDS understanding of God is just us having more of the map revealed to us. Gives us an advantage in the game of life.
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But that’s not true. Because ultimately the LDS church teaches that God was himself once a human, a created being. That’s not the God I worship.
And before you say that he was eternal, we’re all eternal according to the LDS church. That’s just dodging what I just said, which is that the LDS has taught that God was a human.
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Mormons do not believe in the same God.
30 to 50 Feral Opossums 🌵🇺🇸🇺🇦🇵🇦🇨🇦🇬🇱@mebrannan
@LadyDemosthenes Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God created the materials from with the heavens and earth were made. But rather, it says that there was darkness, a deep that implicitly had volume and had a surface, and water over which God floated. God did not exist in a vacuum.
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@LadyDemosthenes God was once a human the exact same way Jesus Christ was once human. Again, different understanding of God and about him. Not different god.
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@_jonbowlin It never occurred to you that your two week crash course missed some things and purposely put things in the wrong context just to give you a more biased view point? Simpletons.
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