Jon Bowlin

Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament scriptures

@DrDavidLAllen “The many” does not mean all. It’s not a “hebraism” for all for all. It’s referring to a specific group hence the definite article in the Greek.

Tony is spot on here! I never cease to marvel at how limitarian Calvinists cannot see or understand this point.

No it’s not. God doesn’t look to anywhere else on how He wants to do things. All of creation is good according to Him and when He created all things and did what He did, He said it was good because He looks to Himself being that He is the standard for goodness. This is just consistent with His word and character “For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.” Romans 1:20 ESV bible.com/bible/59/rom.1…

@_jonbowlin @AleMartnezR1 That’s cool. But since your god is all powerful that means the parameters in the universe are arbitrarily chosen by you god

"the data is kind of premise one of the argument, if you like: that our universe exhibits this highly unlikely and specific pattern of natural laws, and constants of nature, and initial conditions of the universe, that jointly permit the existence of kind of interesting, functional complexity—such as chemistry being possible, let alone organic chemistry being possible, right?" youtube.com/watch?v=D5Eh53…

@philobrossuckdi @AleMartnezR1 This is a false dichotomy. The reason the universe can’t be any other way is because God doesn’t change His mind. God’s will doesn’t change. That’s just consistent with His omnipotence

@AleMartnezR1 Fine tuning is the worst argument a Christian can make If the universe has to be tuned like this and cannot be any other way for life to exist then god is not all powerful If god is all powerful then the “tuning” of the universe is arbitrary Make your choice

@uncleowenlars @nathancoxey Why can’t we?

@_jonbowlin @nathancoxey If he is eternally equal to God, why does he submit and subject himself to the Father in 1 Corinthians 15:28 at the end? You can't use the tired "that's his human part bro that doesn't count" excuse here.

I’m not a trinitarian, can I still enter the Kingdom? Yeshua is Lord

@nathancoxey Right. No one is saying that He wasn’t fully God while He was in the flesh. Who is saying that?

@_jonbowlin Yall say He was fully God in the flesh but then say He’s not fully God while He’s in the flesh by proxy. You’re authoring a lot of confusion and very little substance of value. Why would equality with God not be a thing that is grasped if He is God. He was still FULLY God right?

@nathancoxey Jesus said that while He was in His incarnate state. He was submitting to The Fathers Will while on earth. That doesn’t make Him any less God. You are ignoring the text that plainly states “He did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped”

@_jonbowlin You keep quoting verses and definitions that don’t support your stance. Christ doesn’t count himself equal with God, even though they are one, achad. The Father is greater according to Jesus

Philippians 2 and John 1 tell us that Jesus was along side the Father eternally. What creature ever had equality with God? “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,” Philippians 2:5-6 ESV bible.com/bible/59/php.2…

@_jonbowlin I don’t care what the early church says. The early church is comprised of fallible men. I care what the text says. There is no text that says Jesus existed along side the Father eternally. But there is text that says the opposite 🤷🏼‍♂️

@nathancoxey Believing that Jesus is a created person is heresy and makes you an unbeliever. This heresy was condemned by the early church

@_jonbowlin The Google figurative and literal definitions support Him being a literal firstborn and of the highest honor 👍

@writeontheedg3 @1984_nate Because it had been granted to them. If it hadn’t of been granted to them, they would’ve never understood

@_jonbowlin @1984_nate Because He explained it openly to them. ”He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything." Mark 4:34

Parables were meant to conceal the truth from those to whom The Father has not granted salvation to. They just prove the truth of Calvinism “And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that “‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’”” Mark 4:10-12 ESV

@nathancoxey aomin.org/aoblog/general…

@_jonbowlin Can you show me where you get your preminence from? I don’t see it. I’d like to read up from your source of info please.

The word for firstborn in the Greek refers to preeminence. It has to do with His status as being the rightful heir to the inheritance not that He is a creature. Colossians 1:18 says Christ is the firstborn from the dead as well meaning He has preeminence over death. The title of Everlasting Father refers to Him being the founder of an everlasting kingdom. Like how we can the founders of America founding fathers. It’s not saying He is The Father. John says “All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.” John 1:3 ESV How can Jesus be said to have made all things and yet be a created entity Himself?

@_jonbowlin Yeah kind of but not totally. At least that’s what the text says. It never said He was eternal with the Father. It does say He was brought forth though. Firstborn of creation. But He is given the name Everlasting Father 🧐 😉 I will always ask, what does the text say.

@nathancoxey So you’re saying Jesus is a created being when you say that He may have been brought forth by The Father? That He isn’t eternally God?

@_jonbowlin It’s ironic because I have a Celtic trinity tattooed on my back. I don’t buy into the doctrine of one essence. I believe the Father is the head, He sent His divine Son (who created everything), and the Father gives His Spirit. Jesus may have been brought forth by the Father

@nathancoxey So then, why are you saying you’re not a trinitarian? Trinitarians aren’t saying that Jesus is The Father

@_jonbowlin He is the firstborn of creation. He exists with the Father, created what we call creation, has the authority to forgive, among other things, He is deserving of worship, glory, honor. He is one with His Father. But He is not the Father. Like Royalty. The prince represents the King

@nathancoxey What do you mean when you say Jesus is divine? Do you believe He is God, the creator of the universe?

@_jonbowlin Are you saying that if you’re not trinitarian you can’t think Yeshua is divine?

@MrMrsTrumpet @nathancoxey If you truly believe He is God then you’ll be a trinitarian

@_jonbowlin @nathancoxey That is what verse exactly. So far I have only found these. And I believe He is God

@HwsEleutheroi These guys act as if they don’t have these problems in their own churches.

This post is a lie. Documentable. Plain. Straight up. NONE of the people pictured believe in sola scriptura. Period. That is too obvious to even have to comment on. Shame on everyone lying about these things on social media.

No because religion in a general sense can be defined as one’s metaphysic, ethic, and epistemology which everyone has. The only difference is that the Christian worldview is the framework which can account for everything. Everyone else takes what God has given as evidence for His existence and distorts to try and make up their own worldview

@_jonbowlin If calling atheism a 'religion' that requires 'faith' is meant to be a criticism of its validity, aren't you accidentally conceding that religion and faith are invalid frameworks?

No one can abandon religion as everyone is religious

When the founders talked about freedom of religion, they were saying that the federal government wasn’t to have a particular denomination of Christianity as the national denomination such as is the case in other countries like Germany & England. They weren’t thinking about the freedom to worship whatever deity you wanted. The states are free to have a certain denomination of Christianity as the state religion but not the federal government. They were voluntarists and believed the people should be free to choose their denomination and fund it locally through offerings rather than through the government.

Not quite. 1. Our founders knew - and declared - that the rights that undergird all laws come from God. They weren’t thinking of some general diety. They were thinking the God of Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They were thinking of Jesus Christ. 2. Understanding our innate rights come from our Creator is not synonymous with creating a national religion 3. Even if Christianity were declared our national religion, Christianity and Islam are not the same. Christianity is based on what is good, true and beautiful. Islam is largely advanced through violence and force. Christianity elevates the worth of a person; Islam denigrates it. Christianity produced the greatest nation that’s ever existed; no other worldview has come close

@farmingandJesus No wonder the mortality rate was so high back then

Gross!

@_Infinity_Dave_ @wendelltalks That doesn’t say there are. It says there is a concept of it. Big difference

@wendelltalks Here you go.

More evidence that the universe was designed!