I said obey Christ. Which is literally Hebrews 5:9.

Obedience follows salvation; obedience does not grant salvation. Unless you’re saying that in accepting the gospel and doctrine of grace, putting our faith in Christ we are obeying, which in a sense is true. However, this does not appear to be the meaning you were -or ever have- attempting to convey, since you’ve said that obedience means following the law.

@DocKrease Sir, who is salvation for according to the clear meaning of Hebrews 5:9

@BrysonGray You clearly did not read what I wrote…

@DocKrease I did. Now answer my question please.

I did answer it, if you paused to read my question. I do not disagree that obedience is important, as I have said time and again. But the obedience in itself is not what saves. Hebrews 5:9 says Christ is the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. “Obey Him” means believing in Him and submitting to Him as Lord, which scripture clearly defines in John 6:29 and 1 John 3:23. What it does not teach is that we earn or maintain our salvation by perfect law-keeping and works. We are saved by grace through faith in Christ’s finished work (Romans 3:21–28; Ephesians 2:8–9), not simply by our obedience. Genuine faith leads to obedience as fruit (James 2; Titus 2:11–12), but the obedience in itself is not what saves. This is the consistent teaching of Scripture throughout the New Testament. So what are you claiming the verse means?

@DocKrease I’m not reading all of that. Is salvation just for those that obey?

@BrysonGray Wow… So we’re supposed to listen to you ramble on in spaces, but you can’t read a single paragraph. Just showing that legalistic arrogance yet again.

@DocKrease I asked a simple question and you’re sending paragraphs. Is salvation just for those that obey? A yes or no would suffice

No. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ, not by obedience or keeping of the law; Ephesians 2:8–9; Romans 3:28. Hebrews 5:9 says Christ is the source of salvation to all who obey Him; those who believe and submit to Him as Lord. True faith then produces obedience as the fruit of that faith. A yes/no answer would distort the gospel message. Don’t try to pigeonhole a response so your narrative is supported.

@DocKrease But Hebrews 5 says that’s who salvation is for. It does not say the extra stuff you attempted to add. So, you disagree with Hebrews 5, got it.

@DocKrease @BrysonGray abraham obeyed, noah obeyed, moses obeyed, YESHUA OBEYED!! WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DONT HAVE TO?

Zach sounds like a sola Fide guy. Unfortunately, Luther added the word “alone” to the Protestant version of the Bible in the 16th century. If you want to know what Jesus thought about true believers who did not follow up with works of charity, read what he said about judgement day. Matt 25:31

Salvation is certainly by God's grace through faith, not of works. In saying faith without works is dead maybe James meant that if we don't take God's grace seriously and we, not struggle with, but pridefully or carelessly continue on in unrepentant sin then it is likely we are absent of sincere faith. There's an inseperable bond between faith and repentance in that repentance, or lack thereof, is a direct reflection of the faith we come to God with. Maybe it's easy to forget that salvation serves us as God would be just fine without us, surely we shouldn't think we've got God in some kind of technicality where He has to give us something because we once spoke and said we believe. It doesn't seem the Lord stops searching hearts, if salvation is by grace yet the Law is not abolished then maybe the Lord searches hearts for faith that's willing to be obedient. It seems if we have truly humbled ourselves and put our trust and faith in Christ the only thing we'd have to say to Him telling us to do what we know we ought to do is "Your will be done". Granted God's wrath is still stored and prepared for the Day to remove sin from earth and dwell here maybe we should show gratitude towards His grace and take sin seriously. It doesn't seem we can repent and have a sincere change in our heart and mind toward God without a sincere change in our heart and mind toward sin, the very reason He destroyed this earth once and the reason He will destroy it again, the very reason He came in the flesh to be crucified. But whatever it is James meant it is certain that our salvation is by grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast, and we will know them by their fruit.

@DocKrease @BrysonGray wrong wrong wrong. dude are you not paying attention? YOU MUST OBEY!! IT DONT SAVE YOU BUT IT PROVES YOU LOVE HIM! just like any father, if you obey Him he wont punish but if you disobey you WILL BE PUNISHED WITH WRATH. He calls them workers of lawlessness!! Torah is the law!!