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Blue Bear
Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
I relaxed about these things. They’re corporations… not real people. It’s stealing your own work and contacts.
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>be Tang Tan >24 YEARS at Apple >VP of Product Design, iPhone AND Apple Watch >you know every team. every project. >every name worth taking >months BEFORE you leave: >meet with OpenAI’s people >email yourself Apple supplier intel >apple is literally paying you while you betray them 2024: leave, co-found io with Jony Ive 2025: OpenAI buys it for $6.5 BILLION >a one-year-old company. no product >you’re now Chief Hardware Officer >you’re paid in OpenAI pre-IPO shares begin the great unbuilding of Apple >one by one, apple’s hardware people vanish >engineers. designers. supply chain leads >you know which head holds which secret >you are the mastermind >you pick accordingly >interviews are not interviews >drop secret codenames like you still work there: > “what’s the plan?” >candidates cram STOLEN FILES the night before like it’s finals week >“bring Actual parts for show and tell” >apple employees smuggling batteries and logic boards out of Apple Park in their bags >one guy, genuinely confused: “didn’t even know we could take those from the office” >you knew >hand every new hire Apple’s own security manual BEFORE they resign >the document literally lists the rules they’re about to break >openai staff, cheerfully: “a checklist that Tang put together” >tang did not put it together >APPLE put it together >tang took it on his way out Tang Tan spent 24 years learning how Apple keeps secrets. Then 14 months teaching people how to leave with them. APPLE IS PERSONALLY SUING HIM FOR: TRADE SECRET THEFT. BREACH OF CONTRACT. WILLFUL. EXEMPLARY DAMAGES.

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lull_no
lull_no@lull_no·
@Bluebearmonkey The dude was a manager, so he was just stealing his subordinates’ work.
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Blue Bear
Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@lull_no Meh… 🤷‍♂️ It’s a corporation. Don’t care.
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew@SadlyTemporary·
@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Property of a corporation is property. It belongs to the legal person, which in turn ultimately belongs to the natural persons who beneficially own the corporation. Stealing stuff is morally equivalent regardless of whether the owner is a natural or legal person.
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew@SadlyTemporary·
@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Respecting property rights is core. If we believe the property has been illegitimately acquired, it doesn’t mean we are morally authorized to be vigilantes
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Blue Bear
Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@SadlyTemporary @lull_no Then I am proudly a bandit. Trust me… the current crop of oligarchs and their abuse of corporate structures is their own form of banditry. Move fast, break stuff, steal everything and anything… that’s exactly what Tang Tan and Steve Jobs have done their entire careers.
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew@SadlyTemporary·
@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no We all take stuff. But we know it’s not right when we do so. There are a lot of grey areas with corporate property that employees created for their jobs. If it’s on their system, it’s theirs. If you keep it on your personal laptop (and never move it to theirs), well…
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew@SadlyTemporary·
@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Maybe they stole stuff to help get going and it was at the level they didn’t get caught. If a company becomes medium size they need to become more careful, hire legal and compliance people to manage such risks
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Blue Bear
Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@SadlyTemporary @lull_no And it’s not some sort of normative moral thing but an unfortunate legal barrier… which should be ignored if you can get away with it. I like it!
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew@SadlyTemporary·
@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no The philosophy of “individuals do whatever they can get away with, government is there to punish harshly so it doesn’t collapse into disorder” is Chinese, perhaps. But civilisation means individuals follow the rules even when enforcement may be absent. You should try it
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew@SadlyTemporary·
@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no PS the lack of civilisation is precisely why Russia fell apart in the 1990s when the punisher disappeared. Meanwhile countries like Poland were able to self-organise without mafia stealing everything
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