@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Free of a sense of duty is not freedom we should want
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no I’m trying to free your enslaved mind.
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no We cannot know. But my intuition says “anything that you do that you can get away with is fine, because you can make the rules” is wrong. Nietzsche would say “of course, you have slave/Christian beta morality”. My intuition says otherwise. I cannot prove it
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@aeaiyo You’re probably a Westerner whose stanning of PRC is more related to anti-Americanism or anti-“imperialism” than anything else. That would be why you saw the Japan-China situation as “Japan acting at US behest” because you have a simple good guy/bad guy framework not complexity
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You country is literally a US proxy like Israel.
Mar Escalona@escalonamar
China is the Israel of East Asia
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no No, the point of Kant’s philosophy is precisely that it doesn’t matter who you are.
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no It depends on who you are… Dostoyevsky was incorrect.
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@aeaiyo I’m not Jewish so it’s not personally important to me. But I know that I oppose most of the political ideas promoted by people who think “Zionist” is a slur
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no “Whatever one can get away” is not a good moral code, regardless of Western, Chinese or any other. I’m pretty sure you know that
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no And that’s why I’m based as fuq and you tuck your t-shirts in your cargo shorts.
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Kant: “Handle nach Maximen eines allgemein gesetzgebenden Gliedes zu einem bloß möglichen Reiche der Zwecke.“ a bit hard to parse, but it’s a very succinct statement of how one ought to act
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no This is a moral philosophy rejected by Socrates and Plato many centuries before Nietzsche. Kant has it more or less right. I am not familiar enough with Chinese moral philosophy history to cite Chinese parallels
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no I didn’t excuse it at all. Wrong is wrong. I was saying that even if someone doesn’t care too much about right and wrong, if you are not small there are also real risks that make obeying the law almost always the most rational, in addition to moral, course of action
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no I like how you excuse start-up IP theft.
🤭
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no In principle, not taking stuff to begin with is the best course of action
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no That’s why you can’t be careless, dumdum… this isn’t for amateurs.
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no In a court of law in most countries, a person who is proven to have taken client lists, product specifications etc. electronically can certainly be found civilly liable, and potentially a subject of criminal prosecution
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no Everything is grey in intellectual “property”…
C’mon dude…
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no There are some basic rules like “don’t take what doesn’t belong to you” that are universal, not created by a person
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no Civilisation is created by those who make their own rules.
Always was… always will be…
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no PS the lack of civilisation is precisely why Russia fell apart in the 1990s when the punisher disappeared. Meanwhile countries like Poland were able to self-organise without mafia stealing everything
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no The philosophy of “individuals do whatever they can get away with, government is there to punish harshly so it doesn’t collapse into disorder” is Chinese, perhaps. But civilisation means individuals follow the rules even when enforcement may be absent. You should try it
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Maybe they stole stuff to help get going and it was at the level they didn’t get caught. If a company becomes medium size they need to become more careful, hire legal and compliance people to manage such risks
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no You don’t understand what built Silicon Valley.
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Respecting property is called civilisation. It’s why civilised people don’t need tyranny to protect them
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no Move slow, follow the rules, don’t cause a mess… 🫠
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no We all take stuff. But we know it’s not right when we do so. There are a lot of grey areas with corporate property that employees created for their jobs. If it’s on their system, it’s theirs. If you keep it on your personal laptop (and never move it to theirs), well…
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@SadlyTemporary @lull_no Then I am proudly a bandit.
Trust me… the current crop of oligarchs and their abuse of corporate structures is their own form of banditry.
Move fast, break stuff, steal everything and anything… that’s exactly what Tang Tan and Steve Jobs have done their entire careers.
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Especially when we are taking someone else’s stuff for our own possession
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@Bluebearmonkey @lull_no Respecting property rights is core. If we believe the property has been illegitimately acquired, it doesn’t mean we are morally authorized to be vigilantes
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