@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes The implication there seems to be recently, evidenced by the fact we know it made a fuckton more and had a much larger player base for the first 4 or 5 years as opposed to now.
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes x.com/PaulTassi/stat…
"This is almost entire financial, simply Destiny 2 cost more than it made. Math. Cruel math, but math."
Paul Tassi@PaulTassi
Alright, so. My sources (Bungie, not Sony), on the "Sony revenge" storyline: - The impression is that this reported info *probably* comes from PlayStation employee observers, not anyone high up with significant knowledge of leadership's mindset. - Some at PlayStation have "publicly wondered" why D2 is ending support, but keep in mind there are like 12K people working there. - This is almost entire financial, simply Destiny 2 cost more than it made. Math. Cruel math, but math. No one at Bungie has any belief this is some "revenge" idea. - It is obvious to everyone Bungie has not performed well and it is not exactly Sony's golden child. But this idea that Sony is blaming Bungie for Concord and all the rest of the live stuff is a huge reach. Sony isn't doing this to "punish" Bungie for some transgression via its live service plans or game underperformance. - Despite atomizing Destiny 2 support to the point where there won't even be hotfixes, there are zero plans to wind down actual servers. So take anything too hyperbolic with a giant pile of salt. Like the basics may be true, Bungie didn't live up to what Sony wanted, some employees working at PS may not understand or like this move, but this isn't as cloak and dagger as it's being portrayed. It's corporate, albeit that is obviously its own kind of bad. I'll probably have a piece or vid on all this tomorrow, but I see this spreading like wildfire.
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Sony’s ‘Destiny 2’ Obliteration Has Almost No Precedent In The Industry via @forbes forbes.com/sites/paultass…
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@KillFeed_Gaming @XboxTimdog At the moment none, maybe that dinosaur game lost wild whenever it comes out but frankly I also dont even play games all that much anymore, just a way to stay in touch with friends at this point.
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@HelioQuasar @XboxTimdog What games are you looking forward to?
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@KillFeed_Gaming @XboxTimdog I have a switch as well. Playstation doesnt have any games that appeal to me as im not a fan of 3rd person adventure slop games. Plus, as I said, half my friends only have xboxs so it just makes things easier.
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@HelioQuasar @XboxTimdog Sadly for you it would make more sense to have a pc and then a switch 2 or ps, with discord and lots of games being cross play now you wouldnt miss out on anything
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It's crazy to me to think that the Zero Hour exotic mission was funded by the Whisper of the Worm ornament sales in Eververse during some of the lowest periods in Destiny, yet for years upon years between Beyond Light & Lightfall when playercounts were consistently higher, we never got anything else like this that was "free" unless you count Into the Light. Where did all that money go to? Oh yeah.. Marathon and multiple cancelled incubation projects. My bad.
#WeWantDestiny3
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@Dungeon00X That community shows how whiny and lost XBOX fans are.
Everyone who doesn't have emotions know Xbox doesn't have a cohesive strategy.
Also it's been days .. that video has already damaged Xbox as much as it could 😀
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LMAO, that community note proves not only his bias but that he wasn't even paying attention. 😆
Kinda Funny@KindaFunnyVids
Xbox has no vision for the future.
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Be PlayStation, pushes and sacks valuable Devs, writers, producers and directors. Decides to inject Consultant companies and outsourced Devs, Writers, Producers and Directors, flip flopping established IPs.
Backfires. Closes studios, shelves IPs, proceeds to go for GEN AI.
This is how you know they’re not JAPANESE anymore whatsoever too.
IGN@IGN
PlayStation reportedly pulled out of PC ports due to "inconsistent" releases and lack of revenue. bit.ly/3QeWmpk #IGNSummerOfGaming
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Peter retweetet
The internet doesn’t forget, Greg. You got cooked.
Kinda Funny@KindaFunnyVids
Xbox has no vision for the future.
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Also the only outside investment I can find was by netease for around $100 million in 2018, so idk where you got this "string of investments" from exactly.
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Nope. Destiny was never profitable. A string of bad investments and contracts allowed Bungie to operate for so long
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@KillFeed_Gaming @XboxTimdog Its the reason I have an Xbox in addition to a PC as opposed to a Playstation
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@HelioQuasar @XboxTimdog What does that have to do with pc lmao
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@KillFeed_Gaming @XboxTimdog Yeah but xbox has all my friends and I dont like 3rd person action adventure games, so to each their own
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@XboxTimdog Xbox doesnt have exclusive games, you want better performance and higher resolution, just get a pc lmfao
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes No, the game was profitable (as it made more than it cost to produce alone) the company wasn't (as they spent more money than they made overall)
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Like I said. It wasn’t profitable by itself. The games have individual accounting
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@HelioQuasar @ZxEffects @DivideGaming21 I quit before it went to shit, Sony won’t green light D3 so let it go
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@moparful99 @FailureToCrash Steam has 1 billion registered accounts, but most are likely bots, second accounts or inactive. Thats as of 2019. 130 million is steams MAUs, not total registered users.
gamedeveloper.com/game-platforms…
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@FailureToCrash Steam has 130 ish million registered users and Playstation hit 132 million MAUs recently.
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Steam has 3X the player base as PlayStation as a whole does.
Not that I'd expect a Kotaku writer to understand this.
AmericanTruckSongs9@ethangach
PlayStation has potentially outsold Xbox almost 3 to 1 this gen. Sony pulling games off PC is not the same as Xbox not to bringing a game to 3x its install base. I point that out as someone who thinks Xbox should do exclusives. But the cost of that for Microsoft is much greater.
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Yeah its obviously not going to be profitable when you spend all the profits on 5 other games, 4 of which never release. What are we even talking about here broski. Pretending as if the game itself didnt make more money than it cost to make is absurd.
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes It was not profitable in aggregate. This was the big problem, it was difficult to determine profitability when you had a big spike and expected it to continue. And thus, that's how they swindled investors expecting that growth to continue and the opposite happened.
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Peter retweetet
Xbox doesn't set the PlayStation Plus requirements, Sony does. Yet as usual people are blaming Xbox for a Sony policy.
The Xbox version of Halo doesn't require a Game Pass sub for split screen co-op, the only one monetizing that is Sony with PlayStation Plus.
Why Sony is doing this is because of the MS account requirement for cross-progression. Since Halo routes cross-progression and multiplayer through Microsoft's servers, Sony is treating even local, same-console split-screen sessions as an outbound data transfer that hits an external ecosystem. If PlayStation data is leaving the walled garden, Sony is going to make sure they extract a toll for it.
Alejandro@AEG201R
@Wario64 Shitbox gotta be Shitbox. I can't wait for them go bankrupt and start selling off their IPs. Microslop is so useless they can't make a decent game so they monetized a great game from 25 years ago. Bunch of useless corporate scum.
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