@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes There is no such inclination and even if there were, it shows the Destiny audience is dying out.
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NathanDrakeFF
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes The implication there seems to be recently, evidenced by the fact we know it made a fuckton more and had a much larger player base for the first 4 or 5 years as opposed to now.
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Sony’s ‘Destiny 2’ Obliteration Has Almost No Precedent In The Industry via @forbes forbes.com/sites/paultass…
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes x.com/PaulTassi/stat…
"This is almost entire financial, simply Destiny 2 cost more than it made. Math. Cruel math, but math."
Paul Tassi@PaulTassi
Alright, so. My sources (Bungie, not Sony), on the "Sony revenge" storyline: - The impression is that this reported info *probably* comes from PlayStation employee observers, not anyone high up with significant knowledge of leadership's mindset. - Some at PlayStation have "publicly wondered" why D2 is ending support, but keep in mind there are like 12K people working there. - This is almost entire financial, simply Destiny 2 cost more than it made. Math. Cruel math, but math. No one at Bungie has any belief this is some "revenge" idea. - It is obvious to everyone Bungie has not performed well and it is not exactly Sony's golden child. But this idea that Sony is blaming Bungie for Concord and all the rest of the live stuff is a huge reach. Sony isn't doing this to "punish" Bungie for some transgression via its live service plans or game underperformance. - Despite atomizing Destiny 2 support to the point where there won't even be hotfixes, there are zero plans to wind down actual servers. So take anything too hyperbolic with a giant pile of salt. Like the basics may be true, Bungie didn't live up to what Sony wanted, some employees working at PS may not understand or like this move, but this isn't as cloak and dagger as it's being portrayed. It's corporate, albeit that is obviously its own kind of bad. I'll probably have a piece or vid on all this tomorrow, but I see this spreading like wildfire.
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes I very much doubt that. We know it made between $200-$500 million a year. If folks in the know estimate it would cost $500 million to make a destiny 3 that implies the yearly expansions would cost less. We also know D1 cost $500 mil to make and made that back in its first day
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Nope. Destiny was never profitable. A string of bad investments and contracts allowed Bungie to operate for so long
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes No, the game was profitable (as it made more than it cost to produce alone) the company wasn't (as they spent more money than they made overall)
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Like I said. It wasn’t profitable by itself. The games have individual accounting
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Yeah its obviously not going to be profitable when you spend all the profits on 5 other games, 4 of which never release. What are we even talking about here broski. Pretending as if the game itself didnt make more money than it cost to make is absurd.
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@HelioQuasar @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes It was not profitable in aggregate. This was the big problem, it was difficult to determine profitability when you had a big spike and expected it to continue. And thus, that's how they swindled investors expecting that growth to continue and the opposite happened.
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@NathanDrakeFF @holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes I have a hard time believing it was never profitable. I think it definitely was which was why they were able to renovate their offices and start 5 incubation projects, just seems they didnt reinvest enough into destiny to keep it profitable.
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@Colteastwood @KitarachiTV You did about two months ago before you deleted all your tweets talking about how exclusives were bad.
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Exclusives aren't anti-consumer.
THIS is:
Wario64@Wario64
Halo: Campaign Evolved split screen on PS5: "both accounts will need to have PlayStation Plus and be linked to a Microsoft account. Having these active PlayStation Plus subscriptions will also provide access to online co-op play." halowaypoint.com/news/june-comm…
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@GreatMmesa @HoegLaw They certainly care about the millions of games they sell on Playstation. CoD sold like 80% on Playstation last year, one of their biggest games.
And you don't think they care about their relationship? lmfao. fanboy cope.
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@HoegLaw I mean, does Xbox really care about their relationship with playstation? Playstation hasn't done anything for Xbox outside of helldivers 2. Isn't it a good thing if they can annoy Sony so much they get kicked off their platform so they can blame Sony for having exclusives?
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Sooooo…that relationship *really* soured.
Wario64@Wario64
Halo: Campaign Evolved split screen on PS5: "both accounts will need to have PlayStation Plus and be linked to a Microsoft account. Having these active PlayStation Plus subscriptions will also provide access to online co-op play." halowaypoint.com/news/june-comm…
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@kingofdaweest @HoegLaw He's a massive Microsoft shill. Non-stop defense force for years regarding the Activision purchase. He looks like an absolute fool right now and is running damage control. He will look like an even bigger fool in the coming weeks. Just sad.
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@HoegLaw I find it funny that you have more posts complaining about god of war laufey (with incels backing you up in the replies) than posts about games you liked from sgf week. Why are you still gargling microsoft balls even after the acquisition you cheered for crumbled and burned?
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So much of this from Jason is op/ed speculative bullshit. It doesn’t need to be amplified.
IGN@IGN
A new report suggests Xbox layoffs will likely result in a "bloodbath" of job losses and studio closures, leaving developers "punished" simply for following Microsoft's orders. bit.ly/4uLkEFk
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@HoegLaw Imagine calling out Jason for his accurate reporting meanwhile you cheered on one of the worst acquisitions in history that will go down as an actual embarrassment to the detrimental effects it had in the gaming industry.
Do better than being a shill, please.
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@Duckyyy2142 @realLauraFryer Xbox loses money. They confirmed it. Nadella laughed about how poorly Xbox makes money. Their business is literally a joke to the CEO
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@NathanDrakeFF @realLauraFryer And yet Xbox makes more money than them.
Valve isn't a competitor to the console markets.
It's in its own struggle against Epic etc.
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@NathanDrakeFF @xMBGx It doesn't make sense for their business, but that's why they've dialed back on single party and they're focused on live service multiplayer.
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@Duckyyy2142 @realLauraFryer Valve is one of the most profitable companies in the world per employee. Yes they are greatly exceeding Xbox which is not profitable and bleeds money
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@NathanDrakeFF @realLauraFryer Valve?
You really think Valve is out performing Xbox?
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@Requester47 @DestinLegarie Each project is evaluated independently for profit and loss
Destiny was unprofitable well before marathon was in active development, and wasn’t profitable after either
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@NathanDrakeFF @DestinLegarie Yet they used D2 sales to create marathon.
Just think how many new sales they would have if they instead made D3.
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Do we tell them?
PlayStationDE@PlayStationDE
Bei welchem Game habt ihr die meisten Spielstunden? 🎮
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@holligandave8 @PaulTassi @Forbes Biggest and most popular doesn't mean profitable, which is why D2 is dead. Management had plenty of time/effort trying to turn it into a sustainable project and they could not do so.
Time to move on.
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@PaulTassi @Forbes Literally wasted this entire generation chasing live service only to kill off their biggest & most popular live service franchise.
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@JohanzelV 15 million sold on Playstation @ 100% revenue or 500k on PC with 70% revenue
Yeah, not a hard choice to skip out on those peanuts.
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No outrage for Wolverine and God of War to reach a wider audience and financial success?....
Ok
HazzadorGamin, Dragon of Dojima@HazzadorGamin
Playstation CEO Nishino on Exclusivity "For in-house singleplayer games, we will further refine the value of the gaming experience that Ps can offer. At the same time, we believe it is important for live-service games to reach a wider audience." vgchartz.com/article/468254…
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@Shpeshal_Nick So they would ruin 3 other great companies instead?
Microsoft's strategy with acquisition has always been to stifle competition. They are happy buying competition and shutting them down to accomplish this goal. That's what they are doing now.
Absolutely horrible company.
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And I still maintain that purely through the business acquisition lens, they should have acquired Epic, Sega and Capcom instead of ABK
I said it back then and I’ll still say it now
♠️ The Asa Games 🎮@The_Asa_Games
Remembering 2023, when Twitter was full of "Xbox should buy Capcom, Sega, Take Two, Square Enix"
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