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Luke M

@Luke_ehM

Husband, Father, Student of Life, Child of God, Families are forever. I do my own thinking and you should too.

Utah Beigetreten Ağustos 2020
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@splashvolume Approximately. Drom whag I understand about 2/3 of this is emergency use investments and savings and 1/3 is property, assets, etc. The church counsels all members to live within your means, save for emergencies both monetarily and things like food, and they practice the same.
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Luke M@Luke_ehM·
I’ve often heard it said, primarily in jest, that other denominations feel threatened by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We have a lay ministry that is all voluntary, so if their congregation converts the other churches lose funding. I never quite believed it. You know how many of the people attacking us online have “pastor” in their bio? Most of the ones I have looked at. These people are paid by the donations to their church. These donations should be serving their community, not enriching the preacher.
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Robby Soave
Robby Soave@robbysoave·
I have never once in my life encountered someone expressing this sentiment. Either I live in quite a bubble, or Ezra Klein does.
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@realDrTT I think this is a very unfortunate development in recent years. I think it is important to discuss issues with people who disagree so that we can find common ground, refine our thinking, be challenged on our bad takes, and get a better feel for the opposing view.
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@TimReeves_ First I’m in the wrong business if I can sell an Articles of Faith print for almost $100. I’m curious which of our Articles of Faith you disagree with? Are there any that you actually find no disagreement with? churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptur…
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Timothy
Timothy@TimReeves_·
@Luke_ehM Well they may have had “live, love, laugh” somewhere. Lol But what I was talking about was these: amzn.to/4gaz9iq
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Timothy@TimReeves_·
I’ve never… read the Book of Mormon. been to a Mormon church. read a book about Mormonism. But… I occasionally house sit for my Mormon neighbors. Their living room wall has 3 statements of faith. None align with the statements of faith my Christian Church holds.
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@Bull_Moose01 I don’t gatekeep Christianity. To me the definition is simple. Believe in Jesus Christ, miraculous birth, matchless life, atonement, crucifixion, death, and resurrection, and that through him, and only through him, all mankind may be saved = Christian.
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Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@travisakers I’m pretty sure there are many members of the LDS church working at Turning Point in Arizona.
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Travis Akers 🇺🇸
Travis Akers 🇺🇸@travisakers·
For the LDS folks… Franklin Graham and Erika Kirk believe Mormonism is a cult - but yet you align yourself with their organizations. How do you reconcile that?
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@texasbreakfast1 I generally refuse to help people I know with printers. They are the biggest pain.
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Texas Breakfast
Texas Breakfast@texasbreakfast1·
Printers are the bane of my existence 😑
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
Clint Teeples@TeeplesCY

"You aren't a Christian if you don't accept the Trinity." The history of that statement is quite shocking, and almost nobody who says it knows that acceptance of the doctrine of the Trinity was once enforced by exile, fire, and death. Here is what happened. For the first 300 years after Jesus, Christians did not agree on how He related to God the Father. They argued about it constantly. There was no official rule. That was just normal. Then a priest named Arius said the Son came from the Father and was beneath Him. Not equal. Not eternal. A lot of Christians agreed with him. A lot. This was not some fringe group. For stretches of the next century, his side was winning. Other Christians said the opposite. The Son was fully God, equal to the Father, no beginning. Two camps, same Bible, opposite conclusions. The fighting got bad. Riots. Mobs in the streets. Christians brawling over the nature of God. So the Roman emperor stepped in. Constantine. He had just won a civil war and he wanted his empire to stop fighting. He was not even baptized. He did not care about the theology. He cared about order. In the year 325 he called the bishops to a town called Nicaea. He paid for it. He ran the meeting himself. And they voted. They ruled that the Son was equal to the Father, fully God, one substance with Him. That ruling is the core of the Trinity. It got settled in that room, by that vote, on one word that is not even in the Bible. They wrote the ruling into an official statement of belief. A creed. Every bishop was expected to sign it. That is the part people think is the story. It isn't. The shocking part is how they made everyone accept it. Constantine made the bishops sign the creed. The few who refused, he banished. Then he ordered every book Arius ever wrote to be burned. Then he made a law. If you were caught hiding one of those books, you were put to death. Even after all of that, the Trinity did not win for good. A few years later Constantine changed his mind. He brought Arius back. And he exiled Athanasius, the bishop who had won the argument at Nicaea. That man got banished five separate times in his life for believing the thing the church now says you have to believe. For the next fifty years it flipped back and forth. One emperor said Trinity. The next said no. Whoever sat on the throne decided what was true. The official belief about God changed every time power changed hands. It finally got locked in by another emperor named Theodosius. He made the Trinity the law of the empire. Disagree, and you were a heretic. Not in some spiritual sense. By law. Backed by soldiers. A few years after that, the empire executed a bishop for his beliefs. The first time the state put a Christian to death over doctrine. It would not be the last. Then came the document that says it out loud. A creed written around the year 500. Almost five centuries after Jesus. They named it after Athanasius, that same bishop. He did not even write it. They put his name on it for the authority. It opens by declaring that anyone who does not hold the Trinity, whole and complete, will perish forever. Believe it or be damned. Put in writing, and made the test of who gets saved. So that is where the line comes from. Not from Jesus. Not from the apostles. From emperors and councils who needed a divided empire to fall in line. The Trinity did not become the rule because the argument was settled. It became the rule because the side that held it had the throne, the law, and the sword. The next time someone says you aren't a Christian unless you accept the Trinity, remember what it took to make that rule stick. Exile. Fire. And death.

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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
I think it was Penn Jillette, a famous atheist, who once said that if he had a good friend that was faithful in their religion, and they believed that he should believe to go to heaven, and they didn’t share it with him, he would be offended. We believe, we share. It’s that simple.
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Michael Rittenhouse
Michael Rittenhouse@Rittentweet·
Mormons proselytize aggressively because, deep down, they know they’re following a con man and a fake text. Their house of cards could collapse at any moment. Going out and finding gullible new recruits is the only practical way to counter the losses they have when their own people realize they’ve been lied to all their lives, and quit. You don’t have to follow a con man to lead a decent life.
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FischerKing@FischerKing64·
I spent a chunk of my early years around Mormons and they were in general exemplary people. Solid families, friendly and open. If I had one complaint it would be aggressive proselytizing - which even happened on the school bus. But that is also a healthy sign of confidence in their way of life. Exact discussions of their theology strike me as beside the point when they frequently live more ‘Christian lives’ than men serving as Jesuit priests or leaders of prosperity gospel megachurches - which are basically a Sunday infomercial.
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LEGO Joseph Smith
LEGO Joseph Smith@Mormonger·
Is this meant to be an argument or just a list of things you think sound weird? 😂 "Mormons make stuff up" *lists a slew of lies* Let's get into it... "Magic underwear"? That's the intellectual level we're operating at? Religious garments exist in numerous faiths. Calling them "magic underwear" isn't a refutation; it's playground mockery. "Golden plates and a seer stone." Correct. Joseph Smith claimed revelation through unusual means. Christians believe God spoke through a burning bush, a donkey, dreams, visions, angels, and a resurrected corpse. If your standard is "sounds unusual," Christianity fails before Mormonism does. "God was once a man" and "humans can become gods." You apparently don't know that deification is a historic Christian doctrine. The idea that humans can participate in divine life predates Mormonism by centuries. The disagreement is about the nature and extent of exaltation, not whether the concept exists. "Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers." This is one of the favorite anti-Mormon talking points because it sounds shocking until you think about it for ten seconds. Traditional Christianity teaches Satan is a created being who derives his existence from God. LDS theology teaches Christ is the divine Son and Satan is a fallen being. The point isn't that they're equals. They aren't. "No Trinity." Correct. Latter-day Saints reject the Nicene formulation. That's a theological disagreement, not evidence of fraud. You actually have to argue why the Nicene model is correct instead of pretending its truth is self-evident. "Total apostasy." The New Testament repeatedly warns of apostasy, false teachers, corruption, and falling away. You can disagree with the LDS interpretation, but acting as if the idea appeared from nowhere only advertises ignorance of the texts. "Kolob." The Book of Abraham doesn't say God lives on Kolob. Critics repeat this because they know most people won't check. "Humans get their own planet." Not official doctrine. Again, critics repeat it because it gets laughs. "Baptism for the dead." Paul literally mentions people being baptized for the dead in 1 Corinthians 15:29. You may reject the LDS interpretation, but the practice is rooted in a biblical text, not thin air. Every religious worldview can be made to sound absurd through hostile wording. "Christians believe in eating the body of their God - they're a cannibalistic death cult." See how easy that is?
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thatbrian@Thatbrian·
Like Roman Catholics, Mormons just make stuff up: Magic underwear — Special temple garments worn 24/7 under clothes that they believe protect them from Satan and physical harm. Golden plates and the Book of Mormon — Joseph Smith said an angel gave him golden plates in “reformed Egyptian” that he translated by putting a seer stone in a hat. God was once a man — Heavenly Father used to be a mortal who progressed to godhood on another planet. Humans can become gods — Good Mormons can be exalted, get their own planet, and have spirit children for eternity. Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers — Both are literal sons of God the Father. No Trinity — God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three completely separate gods, not one being. Total apostasy — Jesus’s original church vanished right after the apostles died, so everything else is fake until Joseph Smith fixed it. Planet Kolob — God lives near a star called Kolob. Garden of Eden in Missouri — Adam and Eve started out in Jackson County, Missouri. Baptism for the dead — They baptize living people in temples as proxies for dead ancestors so the
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David
David@residentreformr·
@redeemed_zoomer The more I know about them, the more I am creeped out by them. It’s unsettling how nice and reasonable they can seem and then you learn the bizarre things the Mormon church does and believes.
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Redeemed Zoomer
Redeemed Zoomer@redeemed_zoomer·
Are Mormons in some kinda hypnotic trance or smth? I get a very unsettling vibe from them. They're so polite but when they talk about their religion they give off North Korean cheerleader energy
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@aidannonx Wouldn’t we join another faith if we believed they were more correct?
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Luke M@Luke_ehM·
Personally I would just say the text between the commas was extra and unnecessary. What does it add to the truth of Jesus Christ? If I were to word it similar, and I was forced to, I guess I would maybe say something like, “Jesus Christ, a member of the Godhead, was born of the Virgin Mary.” I don’t think that defining Him as part of the trinity, three in one, or as a distinct individual, unified in purpose, adds or takes anything away from the truth that is Jesus Christ.
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Timothy
Timothy@TimReeves_·
Mormons believe Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate divine beings. When you say Jesus and I say Jesus, we don’t mean the same person. That’s the point. If I worded it this way, “Jesus, the second person in the Trinity, was born of the Virgin Mary” Would you agree?
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
@Thatbrian The vast majority of the responses I’ve seen these last few days have been respectful and primarily correcting the incorrect statements about our faith. Nobody is perfect and I believe many of those “attacking” us are doing so in an intentionally inflammatory manner to provoke.
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thatbrian
thatbrian@Thatbrian·
The "Mormons are so nice" myth got busted yesterday.
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Luke M@Luke_ehM·
“The Jesus they believe in didn’t live or die or rise from the dead.” I see a comment where you are trying to qualify some weird thing that we believe in something that doesn’t exist, but this is very disingenuous. There is one Jesus, born of the Virgin Mary, who lived the matchless life, voluntarily participated in the atonement, culminating in the crucifixion, died and rose again on the third day. This enables all who come into him to be forgiven when we fall short in this life and return. If you take that as the foundation, all other details are, to a certain extent noise. If you believe in that Jesus, and that faith drives you to try and be a better person, then keep going. You are a Christian.
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Timothy@TimReeves_·
@JeffN_Clasher I don’t agree with how Mormons define Jesus. The Jesus they believe in didn’t live or die or rise from the dead.
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LEGO Joseph Smith
LEGO Joseph Smith@Mormonger·
Am I perfect? No But do I try my best? Also, no Guys, I need help
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Luke M
Luke M@Luke_ehM·
48 more followers to 1000. I’m sure most of them are bots, but hopefully the bots give me some likes.
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