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@JoshuaBarzon These are all the same texts as in the Christian Bible, but some (eg. Samuel) are combined into single books.
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@juiceishpsyop @TheMuppetPastor Adult children are NOT in his household. Use your head!
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@TheMuppetPastor What the actual fuck?
Someone that can’t run their household, including their kids, well shouldn’t be an elder. This elder has failed on a basic level.
Sure, he can’t control the kid’s sins, but he also failed basic child rearing.
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I think you’re correct.
The son’s mistakes are not the fault of the elder.
It’s ok to want a grandchild. And to be excited.
But an elder can and should also explain to the church that while they will love the girl and their son, they don’t agree with their son’s lifestyle.
They should definitely guide the girl to Jesus and hopefully lead both men there as well.
But it’s ok to ask for clarification lest we be seen endorsing sin.

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How ridiculously legalistic! I Tim. 3:4,5 says, “He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church?”
Key word: HOUSEHOLD. Adult children are not in his household. For all we know he was a fantastic father...and when his son left, he freely chose to rebel against God. That is not necessarily the fault of the father, at all.
Was the prophet Samuel disqualified from ministry? His adult sons went bad.
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Again, you are leading the people of God astray through a cartoon character's moniker.
A bishop must be above reproach and must have faithful children. The children are a sermon on the man's life, and they are God's verdict on whether he is called to the pulpit or not.
The very fact that this man has a sodomite son is God's definitive word that this man is not fit for ministry, so this church no longer has a pastor. They have an unqualified man in the pulpit who is leading them astray.
The recommendation for all the sheep is to flee and find a qualified shepherd.
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@SwordMasterPub @TheMuppetPastor Faithful children, WITHIN HIS HOUSEHOLD. When children go bad as adults (OUT of his household)....we cannot blame the father. Would you disqualify the Prophet Samuel?
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@TheMuppetPastor Disagree. One of the stated qualifications of elders is faithful children. This man is obviously disqualified.
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@JayHill53127 @TheMuppetPastor @Tim_G_1983 You and others have no idea...which is why you have no business judging him. Would you disqualify the High Priest Eli? Or Samuel the Prophet? Both had sons that went bad as adults.
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@TheMuppetPastor @Tim_G_1983 How much immoral behavior did the elder encourage while the son was living with him?
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@Tim_G_1983 @TheMuppetPastor Once child is an adult, can his parents be blamed for his behavior? That would make Eli the high priest, and the prophet Samuel unfit for ministry.
The context for what you quote, is IN HIS HOUSEHOLD. Once adults, children are out of the household.
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@TheMuppetPastor Elder/Pastor/Overseer are the same office.
Proof: Acts 20:17, Paul calls for the Elders of the church in Ephesus and then tells them (v 28) that the HS made them overseers and told them to Pastor (shepherd) the church.
If an overseer can’t oversee his household he’s not fit.

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Fully agree. However, I do think surrogacy--removing a child from her mother, who was paid to give birth....is also morally reprehensible.
It's literally buying a child, by the sexually perverse couple.
Quite different than normal adoption, where the conception and birth were not arranged ahead of time, and the mother is somehow unable to keep the child.
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@farmingandJesus Only thing is....all the criminals and creeps end up going to the same roller rink, so.....
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A "No Kings" protester
was knocked down and nearly trampled by an LAPD Officer on horseback after refusing several orders to back up.
Protest organizers are now calling this "police brutality” and want to see law enforcement held accountable.
Was this police brutality or should he have listened to officers?
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@abefrohman84 @MrCasey62 @BibleInContext1 Because everyone writes letters of detailed teachings to people....and then tell them to obey (unrevealed) oral instructions. Makes complete sense. Just like in written contracts....that refer to oral instructions (not in the contract). NEWS FLASH: NO ONE DOES THAT!
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@MrCasey62 @BibleInContext1 And his INSTRUCTION is to obey the oral TEACHING. And, I guess, to not associate with folks like Patrick, and put them to shame.
But honestly, he seems to be doing fine on that last point all on his own.
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And yet in that same letter Paul emphasizes that obedience is on what’s written in that letter!
“If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. (2 Thessalonians 3:14)
Obedience is to what was written! The burden of proof is on the Catholic to prove that what was passed down prior to this letter was not now written in this letter!
MrCasey@MrCasey62
Unbiblical nonsense. TRUE knowledge of God comes from BOTH His written word AND His oral Word. The Bible ITSELF says so: “Brothers & sisters, stand firm & hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by *word of mouth* OR by letter.” ~ 2 Thess 2:15
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Except we don't accept that the Bishops of Rome....are Peter's successors, any more than we think the bishops of Ephesus...were John's (or Paul's) successors, or that the bishops of Alexandria were Mark's successors (or the bishops of Byzantium were the successors of Andrew). It makes no sense to make Rome & her bishop supreme...except that it was the most powerful Roman city, and capital of the Empire, hence with the most powerful Bishop, by default.
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@BibleInContext1 "Obedience is to what was written!"
It'll be great when Patrick realizes the New Testament was written by Catholic Apostles and Catholic Scribes by the inspiration of God:

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It's common sense that you don't write a letter of instructions....and then say in it, "Don't forget what I instructed you OUTSIDE this letter!" Obviously you'd put everything you expect of them, IN WRITING.
It's like a contract. It never refers to something not in the contract--as they say in real estate, "A verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on!"
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@shouq_al90149 No bottled water back in the day. The thought of "buying" water in the 1950s or '60s was laughable.
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Protestia: Two New Sermons by St Augustine, About the Witch of Endor, Discovered in Polish Monastery protestia.com/2026/06/22/two…

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@SpeelingBChamp @MikePagano87 @LizzieMarbach Yes.... Jesus was speaking to honorific titles. The Church is supposed to be a brotherhood....level.....not a steep hierarchy.
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@MikePagano87 @LizzieMarbach Paul didn’t tell Timothy to call him “father,” and he didn’t tell us to call Abraham “father.”
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I’ll admit it, Protestants who say “call no man father” regarding how Catholics address priests are ignorant 🤷🏻♂️
Fearless Truth@Fearless__Truth
I hope all the protestants that dunk on us for calling priests fathers didn’t celebrate FATHERS day today😭
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No. Before saying what Jesus didn't mean....and then ignoring the passage, we need to understand what He did mean. Jesus meant using honorific titles....like "Father" or, "Teacher." (It's in the passage).
Yes, we all have real fathers and real teachers...but we shouldn't elevate people with honorific titles. This is why Protestants don't call their minister "Father So & so." We probably ought not call him "Pastor So & so" either....as that's using a role of his....as a honorific title.
The Roman sect has simply ignored the passage, giving all kinds of honorific titles to their leaders.
Brother Leo should read it....and obey.
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