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No, that’s not at all what scripture says. It never says that gifts will cease nor does it call them childish things. That’s your interpretation. Missionaries give frequent reports of signs and wonders. Muslims testify that Jesus came to them in a dream. We may not believe this, but that fault is our own. I can’t draw the conclusions you’re drawing unless I was purposely looking for it beforehand.

Yet those same scriptures indicate the purpose of miracles, why they have ceased, and when they ceased. We also have zero evidence of anyone performing them today, only a bunch of charlatans and telephone game reports. Miracles in scripture were obvious, undeniable supernatural workings of God through men (John 3:2; 11:47; Acts 2:22; 4:16), not the fakable, theatrical stuff we see today. You say that "the God of cessationism lacks power" as if you worship a different God, but Paul wrote that the power of God unto salvation was the gospel (Rom 1:16) not miracles. Paul called miracles "childish things" (1 Cor 13:11). It's time to put away the toys and grow up in the proper faith.

The sad God of cessationism lacks power, and binds Himself only to a Bible , which itself testifies of God frequently speaking to others audibly and without record in scripture. We don’t know exactly what God said to Deborah, Nathan, Hilda’s, Anna, Huldah, yet we know He did even if the exact words aren’t in the bible. I understand many people lie, but this is tossing out the baby with the bath water. 1 John tells us to test every spirit against scripture, not outright deny it. Who are we to disregard this?

@avine26 If your God doesn’t love everyone and doesn’t do what the Bible says He does, yours is a very different God.

In which continuationists out themselves as believing in a different God.

@GarageMVP Thanks for reading.

@TheMuppetPastor This is a genuinely beautiful tribute.

Carl and Louis were brothers, born during the First World War. They were farmers, but during the Great Depression, things got so bad they had to pull their own plows, cresting back problems that plagued Louis throughout his life. Their desperate attempts weren’t good enough, and they lost the family farm which had been theirs for generations. Their father was deeply ashamed, sometimes taking out his frustrations by beating his two oldest twins who had done more than the best they could. Carl and Louis soon turned to the local Ohio steel mills for work. But in the 30s, this was not a safe workplace, and many were maimed and even killed on the job. It was dirty and dangerous work, but it put food on the table. And then, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Louis and Carl, along with their younger brother Andy, enlisted in the US army, while Sam, baby of the family, joined the Navy. Each man fought valiantly in World War II, in both the European and Pacific theaters. Sam came home with a wealth of experience, new jobs awaiting him, and he stayed Navy for a decade. Andy was a prisoner of war in a German camp. He survived, mostly thanks to a last name that made sense in German. He was never the same afterwards, although he did manage a semblance of a normal life. Louis went to officer training at a chemical school and excelled. He worked hard as a quartermaster and saved the lives of 35 men while earning one of two Purple Hearts. Serving valiantly, he left WWII a Captain before coming home to his wife. Carl fell on the shores of Anzio. Louis was the most devastated and never was the same man again, suffering silence in an era where mental health was ignored. Today, I remember men like Carl, the great uncle I never met. I wish I could have known him, as by all accounts he was a standup gentleman, a Christian, a wonderful potential husband, and a survivor. Carl inspired Louis to think he could do anything as boys, and he was the rock Louis depended on. A lot of wonderful young men like Carl have died for the United States over the centuries, and their sacrifices must not be forgotten. So many of the fallen were “the best of us”, giving their last full measure of devotion. None of us would enjoy what we have today without them. And let us also endeavor to think of all the Carl’s of today, that they shall never be sacrificed in vain.

@ScottLTowner1 Nailed it better than I could say it.

There's already posts on here from cessationists, claiming that yes: they DO believe in miracles, they're just not the "sign" gifts but answered prayer or sovereign acts of God. What Skeletor posted was spot on true: they all say God doesn't speak to people directly (still, small voice or otherwise). One reason they believe that is because they falsely attach it to something else, mainly: that if God is speaking to someone, it must be on the same level as the Bible...which is not true. Here's what I tell people: * Sunday's sermon is Biblical and is a message for the whole church. The Bible. * Monday's private counseling session with the pastor is still Biblical, but its only for the person being counseled and not for everyone. Don't let Peters or any other cessationist continue to cry "you're misrepresenting us!" when, in fact, we are not.

Ok. I hear what you’re saying. What I need to explain to you is that I hear all the time that cessationists believe in miracles, but what I see in practice is automatic rejection. Perhaps cessationists think they do, or perhaps they partially do. But I have spent decades among cessationists and have seen almost everything denied, often using the same arguments as atheists. In charity to you, I’ll assume you’re correct. In charity to me, please understand that I have rarely seen evidence of this:

@TheMuppetPastor @voltchaosvt @HGGamer934 Check him out on YouTube before taking this quote and railing on him. The biggest straw man on this topic is "cessationists don't believe in the gifts or miracles".

@Julianna_Seitz @Not_the_Bee I don’t have eyes

@TheMuppetPastor @Not_the_Bee

The Los Angeles skyline was taken over by a He-Man drone show and people had thoughts about it notthebee.com/tfc47

@skrappjaw @voltchaosvt @HGGamer934 I can like someone and think they said something wrong. And in this case I think he’s too extreme against the miraculous, even if I agree with him that the world is full of Charlatans and agree they must be exposed.

@TheMuppetPastor @voltchaosvt @HGGamer934 The quote is missing a lot of context and to say Peters' God is powerless is a stretch if you can also say Peters is a good man. Have you listened to his entire clouds without water presentation? The claim is not "all miracles cease", it's that those things are not normative.

@GraceFaithMini2 Yes.

@TheMuppetPastor Cessationism is LEGALISM AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

@LizzieMarbach @JOpMCG3 I just sent a long post that got deleted. I will answer you later; don’t think I have forgotten.

@TheMuppetPastor @JOpMCG3 Can you define what you mean by “speak to us?” And again, the question is NOT “CAN God speak to us?” We all emphatically will say yes He can. The question is “how does he speak to us today?”

@voltchaosvt @HGGamer934 @skrappjaw I hear you regarding charlatans. But the signs and wonders were never said to have an ending. The Bible doesn’t declare such a thing. We must test every spirit, not deny them.

For me I see it differently, God was establishing the church, that why he was using signs and wonders. Because certain gifts were for a limited time. Not all gifts were meant for all time IMO. Does God have personal revelation in very specific terms? I think he does, but it is very limited IMO, it is descriptive not prescriptive. I am a cessationist to a degree, because so many gifts have been manufactured and manipulated by many people.

@LizzieMarbach @JOpMCG3 This is why I disagree; God does speak to us outside the Bible. Just like He spoke to people in the Bible when it wasn’t recorded. Benny Hinn is insane, yes. But we can’t deny that God can speak to us; who are we to declare this?

@JOpMCG3 @TheMuppetPastor Yes, when I read scripture!

@spiffster28 Yes it is understandable. I get that. But it’s still wrong even if it’s understandable if it denies what the Bible says.

@TheMuppetPastor Agreed at the same time, cessationism it’s understandable, because of the many, many frauds out there sadly

@andychevy82 My argument isn’t that prophets abound everywhere today like Isaiah. Instead, I am saying that God does communicate with us in private revelation, and we are to test every spirit like John said.

@TheMuppetPastor Show me a knows days prophet or someone claiming to hearing from God that actually aligns with scripture.

No, I haven’t once insulted you. That you’re reading it aggressively is not my fault. Frankly you’ve been rather rude, telling me to “own” things you’ve aggressively misunderstood. I’m not trying to play “gotcha”. But I am telling you that I’ve no idea how you can read what I’ve written and conclude what you have. So please, take a step back, reread what I’ve said, and I hope you’ll understand it wasn’t the way you first interpreted it.

@TheMuppetPastor @JustinPetersMin So now you want to insult.

First of all, I’m not misrepresenting him. I’m opining that cessationism is sad. I certainly understand that we don’t have an apostle Peter today who’s healing everyone he meets. But also think we misunderstand Acts if we think the gift of healing is like a superpower. If Peter really could heal on command, then he never would have been crucified and martyred. He would be immortal, never dying, because he could not be killed. Paul mentioned a thorn in the flesh, yet Peter couldn’t heal that? For that matter , Paul himself couldn’t heal his ailments? Paul couldn’t heal himself after one of his numerous beatings? So obviously there were limits to healing in the early church. If we expect a superpower or video game like healing, the fault lies with us the reader, not the apostles. Now that said, my issue was with the quote, not Peters himself, whom I likely agree with in many respects. The idea that God only speaks to us through the Bible and nothing else is disproven by the Bible. Many stories are filled with personal revelation from God which aren’t recorded. And we’re never told that such things will cease, but rather, we must test every spirit to see what is from God. Again, I understand the damage that charlatans like Benny Hinn do to Christians. They pretend to have video game like powers and mock God. But the Bible tells us they will exist, and we must discredit them with scripture and testing spirits. To outright disbelieve everything is an utter lack of faith in God. It may be easy but it’s not correct. Peters is a good man whom I think is incorrect on this issue and is misunderstanding scripture. He’s right that many charlatans should be avoided.

@TheMuppetPastor I'm with Justin. I've met the man. To misrepresent him and the rest of us who don't believe that miracles are normative in the healing and prophetic senses, is a grave disservice to your fellow Christians. The greatest miracle is salvation.

That’s not at all what I said. I made the claim that the Bible is full of private revelations between God and man that aren’t recorded. His claim is that God only speaks to people through the Bible. And audibly only through reading the Bible aloud. But the Bible itself is full of people God spoke with. Some, like Isaiah, recorded the conversation. Many, like Nathan or Huldah, did not. So the Bible itself disproves him because God has spoken to many different people audibly and silently in private, unrecorded words. Am I to disbelieve the prophet Nathan because he didn’t write a book of the Bible? Or am I to understand that God spoke to him, audibly or silently, in a private revelation? The New Testament likewise confirms that God will speak to us. We are to confirm the messages we hear with scripture to determine what is true. Therefore the idea that God can only speak through scripture is debunked with scripture. Yes, God speaks through scripture, but He is not limited by that only.

@skrappjaw @TheMuppetPastor He literally accused him of saying God never spoke audibly to others. That's a straight up a lie.

@ReformedGunn @JustinPetersMin Read what I said again because I don’t think you’ve understood it.

@TheMuppetPastor @JustinPetersMin It's exactly what you stated, and you used OT examples as "proof" he's wrong. He never denied that, and you implied he did. Own it.

@ReformedGunn @JustinPetersMin That’s not at all what I said. He’s saying that God only speaks in the Bible itself. But the Bible mentions many instances where God did speak to someone and the exact words aren’t included. So using the bible as proof doesn’t work because the Bible disagrees.

@TheMuppetPastor Where did @JustinPetersMin say that God never spoke audibly to others, as you've implied? You should probably not talk about others lying when you're doing that yourself. Clean up that mess. Or go callow & block me.

@IAMthWHEATofGOD @JustinPetersMin Correct. John EXPECTS the Holy Spirit to speak to the church, and gives advice on how to interpret it.

@TheMuppetPastor @JustinPetersMin

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