Stephan

@GillardGlyn @OReganJJ @confidencenac If you’ve noticed I’ve been nothing but genuine in this conversation. If you want to start flinging jokes that’s fine, but it shows to me that you don’t understand my point.

@StephanProwell @OReganJJ @confidencenac How can they save lives. They are never at work 😳

When did this country, especially on the left, become so ignorant and cruel that it begrudges a Granny a yearly pension amount of £12.5k? Take a hike!

@Rab_Dickson1 You were told you’d be entitled to it. But if it continues growing at this rate, and wages stay stagnant, the state pension will eclipse minimum wage, eclipse median wage, within 40 years. People’s entitlement at that time won’t matter, so it has to be changed.

Let’s clear this up for the hard of thinking. I have a very good pension. I don’t need the state pension. But I am entitled to it because I worked for it. That doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on how laughably shite the state pension is or how stupid young people can be

@LordCharles111 Because that education leads to jobs that pay the pensions… That’s the system. The pensioners generation set up this system. If it’s failing, then let us change it

Why should older people pay for your education you ungrateful little cunt?

@_willow80 @SandyofSuffolk You know at most, 0.0005% of the U.K. It’s not sensible to base your political opinions on such a small sample as it doesn’t represent reality, just your life.

@StephanProwell @SandyofSuffolk Strongly disagree,I know many people that complain but are more than happy to do the bare minimum…,,,it’s almost become British!Get off your ass dream big and go get it.Ffs my 16yr old studying for GCSEs is making 20k+ a yr at 16

Younger generation to pensioners: "Why didn't you save more into a private pension?" Because most women stayed at home to look after your mums and dads and so didn't earn anything, let alone save anything. And your granddads were struggling to pay the 14% mortgage rates. And any 'pin' money your nans earned from little part time jobs was spent spoiling you on days out at the seaside, birthdays and Christmas and slipping your mum and dad a few quid on the sly when they were a bit hard up. Just so you know.

@OReganJJ @GillardGlyn @confidencenac junior doctors, who save lives, who should get more than many people, especially if we want them to stay, shouldn’t get more? Junior doctors do not take 15% of public spending I don’t begrudge pensioners, they’ve been forced into this situation. But it literally cannot last

@StephanProwell @GillardGlyn @confidencenac How much do junior doctors get? 30%? And will soon strike for more. There are pensioners that have worked for over 40 years contributed tax and ni all their lives and you begrudge them 4%, which most will now have to pay tax on.

@_willow80 @SandyofSuffolk It’s a documented fact. There are people working hard, saving, trying, and they are getting nothing. Yes it *can* work, but it should almost always work. People aren’t disengaged because they’re lazy, it’s because it’s been made pointless for so many.

@StephanProwell @SandyofSuffolk Strongly disagree

@_willow80 @SandyofSuffolk You aren’t listening. If we financially exclude 20,30,40% of people from being able to take part in society, we will cause social problems, crime, growing unemployment, homelessness, violence, hatred, it goes on and on and costs more and more

@StephanProwell @SandyofSuffolk 1 percent of average,don’t be average bud and anything is possible.I left school with nothing worked hard dreamed big made dreams reality and now life’s easy ,too many people settle for average it’s like it’s built into brits

@GillardGlyn @richardparke15 @confidencenac Back in the day when people couldn’t get work, the gov actually tried to make more jobs, better wages. Now the gov is happy to pay more for people to stay trapped spending everything they have on living, and recouping the losses into businesses to make more money for the uppers

@StephanProwell @richardparke15 @confidencenac Or perhaps get many of the idle millions sat at home claiming benefits to get of their arses and do some work.

@daphnemorgan12 @confidencenac Indeed, if the government cared about making people’s lives better instead of just throwing money at people rather than addressing the underlying problems, then maybe we’d take steps in the right direction.

@StephanProwell @confidencenac As are public sector defined benefit pensions. Or benefits. I could go on.

@danmizen @EssKayFlex @SandyofSuffolk I can accept that we have to work for things, but why can’t we also try to make things better… I’ve managed to save up a deposit also, but I can also see how lucky I am in other ways. It shouldn’t depend much on luck at all.

@EssKayFlex @StephanProwell @SandyofSuffolk I never said it would get better My son is 20 yo he’s just completed his apprenticeship as an electrician and has managed to save a decent amount as a deposit on a house,it won’t easy but wasn’t for me either, I have a 30 year mortgage with 5 left

@GillardGlyn @confidencenac Indeed I don’t. But 4% increase is more than everyone else. If pensions keep increasing by more, then they will continue to grow to consume all public funds If this continued forever at the same rates then we’d see pensions rise to equal or eclipse the median wage within 40 yrs

@StephanProwell @confidencenac As I said you begrudge old age pensioners who have just £11,500 a year to live on a 4% pay rise 😳

@GillardGlyn @richardparke15 @confidencenac Nope, it’s not pensioners fault at all. They didn’t make this the system. We can all blame the politicians for making it this way, and look to change it so people lose out the least. Or we can continue growing a problem, until no one gets state pensions of any kind…

@richardparke15 @StephanProwell @confidencenac So you begrudge old age pensioners who have just £11,500 a year to live on having a 4% rise. Perhaps you should concentrate on the 10 million working age people in this country who are claiming benefits.

@milly12 @confidencenac Yeah, it’s not ideal, but it’s more than what the rest of the entire country is getting on average, from work included. It’s mathematically impossible for it to continue forever unless you expect at some point for public spending to only go to pensions…

@StephanProwell @confidencenac This year we are getting a massive increase of.....£400!!!! A year!!!!! On the lowest pension in the Western world!!!! Disgraceful!!

@GillardGlyn @confidencenac 4%>0.5% wage growth So as it continues year on year, we will see pensions rise more than wages. The lock makes it so that even if wages went up by 20% then we’d have 20% pension rise = 20% wage growth That’s unsustainable unless we want to spend public money only on pensions

@StephanProwell @confidencenac Yes it's totally unsustainable getting a 4% rise on a pension of £11,500. What an utter 🤡 you are.

@_willow80 @SandyofSuffolk Yeah good advice, but we can’t have only 50% of the country or less that gets to live life… Hell, if less than 20% can live life, you’ve got a serious problem on your hands. Obviously it should be 0% if you want a happy functioning nation.

@StephanProwell @SandyofSuffolk Don’t be average bud

@_willow80 @SandyofSuffolk Wake up and listen to people. There isn’t enough. It doesn’t matter if you’re a dedicated genius anymore, hard work no longer guarantees any rewards. I’m one of the lucky ones who has enough and can buy a house, and I can see that. Why can’t you?

@StephanProwell @SandyofSuffolk Depends how thick you are and what job you do.Work hard and make good choices and you’ll be surprised how simple life can be

@SusiePeaceCora @HeatherBo63 Wage stagnation also needs to be addressed just as much though yes I agree.

@SusiePeaceCora @HeatherBo63 Even if wages rose every yr from now, we would always pay 15% towards pensions. It never goes the other way. At best it stays the same, which is too expensive. At worst (as it has every yr so far) it continues to grow faster than wages. It also contributes towards stagnant wages.

@redartisan04 @SusiePeaceCora @HeatherBo63 If they worked they would? People on minimum wage don’t get that for nothing. I understand they’ve finished their working life, so they deserve support, but if they got minimum wage, then it would still always take around the same portion of public expenditure as now.

@StephanProwell @SusiePeaceCora @HeatherBo63 Why can’t pensioners get minimum wage🤷‍♂️

@SusiePeaceCora @redartisan04 @HeatherBo63 No. Mathematics. The triple lock means that pensions will always raise faster than wages, or the same. So they will never become a cheaper expense for the public purse, only more. If it were to continue this way forever, we would pay 99.99% of public expenditure towards pensions

@StephanProwell @redartisan04 @HeatherBo63 Says who? The greedy corporations? The billioniare right wing press?