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@TheCuriousEvan @RebelHQ I don’t know why we bother mate, they can’t understand that trading requires partners and concessions

@RebelHQ @StephanProwell Your businesses get friction free access to the biggest trade block in the world, thats exactly how you boost your economy

Over half the country voted for Brexit. Of those that voted to remain, most accept the result. Most understand the division trying to sneak back in causes will be greater than any gain. Starmer wants an EU Commission job & pension when he gets the boot - that's what it's about.

@TerraOrBust Don’t you think we might have more bargaining power as part of the EU? If we made it a position within the EU, the supporters from other EU nations could join our position, and potentially make the net positive of change of this rule across more of the world…

By supprting rejoining the EU, Zack Polanski and the Green Party support reintroducing the mandatory testing of cosmetics on animals - as required by EU law, and removed from UK law after Brexit. Doesn't sound very Green does it. Be careful which hypocrites you vote for.

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur But it always grows faster and higher than wages, or the same. It will outgrow forever, we can’t keep it

@StephanProwell @Landeur Tbh, I’d keep it. You get about £950 a month as that “ pension”.

By your own admission, pensioners are wealthy. Young people are struggling enormously, yet you'd demand we continue to pay for your pension triple lock. Interesting.

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur Also anyone at this point of any age bar already retirement age thinking that they are guaranteed to receive a triple lock pension (implemented in I think 2010), is being foolish.

@StephanProwell @Landeur You’ll never get a debate on it, as the unions will shriek, those that want it changed will shriek, those that are unaware, will get fucked.

@SandyofSuffolk On what in general? What amounts in general? If you can be specific I will give you credit

@StephanProwell Your generation waste money like it's water.

Younger generation to pensioners: "Why didn't you save more into a private pension?" Because most women stayed at home to look after your mums and dads and so didn't earn anything, let alone save anything. And your granddads were struggling to pay the 14% mortgage rates. And any 'pin' money your nans earned from little part time jobs was spent spoiling you on days out at the seaside, birthdays and Christmas and slipping your mum and dad a few quid on the sly when they were a bit hard up. Just so you know.

@redartisan04 @HeatherBo63 It’s not whether it can be done, it can, and even I am currently buying a house at 27, but it used to be the norm… When a significant % of that age group cannot do it, that’s a problem, and where we are.

@StephanProwell @HeatherBo63 I helped 3 children one in early 30’s 2 in their 20’s all 3 work and all 3 own houses It can be done

off of here for a few days. Idiotic conversations about pensions. What? Shall we all just vanish to make it easier on the selfish assholes who feel the earth revolves around them? I wonder if there are similar disrespectful conversations going on in other countries where a state pension is provided. Probably not. It’s only this country where people have zero respect for anyone.

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur Your money is gone, unless you take it from current pension payments, so someone else’s, the government doesn’t have it. There is nothing to invest or give back. Someone gets fucked when we stop, but we have to stop,

@StephanProwell @Landeur Then just rebate the money, minus interest. I’ll invest it. Fuck these cunts. That they may means test it is, disgusting. Thieving £100k off folk, to get told fuck off..

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur We are in agreement. It’s just it will continue to be that fake pension until we make fundamental change to the pension system and fuck over young and old in the process in different ways.

@StephanProwell @Landeur Which again is sleight of hand by gov. They always called it a pension, which gives the impression it will act as a pension. Hence why, the gov will salami slice it for minimum protest effect. They are, cunts.

@ChezHigher @Landeur Tbf I’m against pensions as they are in general, I just don’t think what you’ve described specifically is a problem so long as it’s reciprocated.

@StephanProwell @Landeur I am not making rules. It's simply unaffordable for the youngsters to fund migrants be they English abroad or others who moved here, they can just aboit afford pensioners who were here their whole life.

@A1an_M Well that wasn’t nor will be the case. It was always known that NI was designed to pay for current pensions. How could there be a pot then? Yes people banded it about, but that’s because they deliberately misled, or misunderstood what the situation was.

I asked grok this question: "If a UK employee started work in an average paying job 46 years ago, and retired today, still in an average paying job, and they and their employer paid NI all of the time, how much would that NI money have grown to by age 67, and what weekly pension could it buy, if it had been invested in a UK stockmarket tracker during those 46 years?" Grok's answer: Approximately £930,000 lump sum, which could buy a single-life level annuity paying roughly £1,400 per week (or around £900–£1,100 per week if inflation-linked/RPI-linked). Bear in mind that the full state pension for someone retiring today is about £230 per week. Just shows you what might be possible if employees' NI was actually invested in a pot for the future, rather than squandered by the government of the day, and if governments didn't operate on the basis of futile hopes that there will be enough NI payers 40 years from now to cover all the pensions when they are due. The right time to start a scheme like this to gradually phase out the existing Ponzi-based state pension scheme and stop being a hostage to our future demographics was decades ago, but the next best time is right now.

@THodson59 @stuey_beef If we could make the regulation an EU law then sure, but since we are now beholden to the EU without say, we can’t…

@stuey_beef If we in the UK are forced to call marmalade citrus marmalade or similar then the french should be made to call the fish they get from our waters les poisson d'anglais. And pay for them. At least. #NoToEU

Paddington Bear didn’t queue at the polls. But millions of people did, to leave the EU and take decisions in Britain. Under Starmer, we can’t even decide what we print on a jar of marmalade without Brussels’ say‑so. That’s not sovereignty. That’s submission.

@stuey_beef Hi ChatGPT, if we want the EU to be able to buy our marmalade, we have to follow their rules. While we were in the EU we had some say in those rules. Now we have none. If you don’t like the rule, then we should have some political power in the EU, maybe membership??

@andrew_lilico Yeah! They should let us sell them whatever. Who cares what they ask, they’ll pay us for what we sell! If we were part of the EU, would have a lot more ground to fight things like this, instead, their decision holds when we want to trade with them.

Hey! I've got an idea! How about if we *didn't* have our laws set for us by the EU? I know it sounds silly & unthinkable when you first hear it, but if you ponder it long enough it might just start to seem plausible?

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur Yes and I’m not happy about it, but the fix isn’t to take more taxpayers money…

@StephanProwell @Landeur If average NI contribution is £2k per person..over 50 yrs at 8% (average s and p lvl over 50 yrs was 11+%.) That’s a pot of £1.15m Gov has fucked us both.

@ChezHigher @Landeur Ahh okay, so we want migration to and from outside the EU only. Or should it be hard to leave and hard to come here?

@StephanProwell @Landeur These trade agreements don't work anymore, too many migrate and too few fund pensions.

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur If it was pots we would have been better off yes. But it wasn’t. We can’t backdate for things that didn’t even pretend to happen. This isn’t a missed pay rise.

@StephanProwell @Landeur I disagree. If the state is going to renege on the pension, then it must reimburse everyone who paid in, with compounded interest. Because, had it been individual pots, you’d be 4-5x better off.

@stuey_beef If we want to sell to and earn money from the EU, we have to follow their regulations. That’s not a political decision by our government, it’s just a fact. If you want businesses here in the U.K. to not sell to the EU, not to make money from the EU, then say that.

No one voted for: – EU rules back on our food – 76 Brussels regulations quietly re‑imposed – “Marmalade” banned unless the label says “citrus” first. But that’s Starmer’s “Brexit reset”. A country that can’t even name its own jam isn’t taking back control – it’s giving it away.

@ChezHigher @Landeur I think the policy we’ve discussed is stupid, but if it’s reciprocal, then it’s fine at least morally. As anyone could take advantage of it, British or migrant, migrant from Britain or local to where they migrated to

@StephanProwell @Landeur I don't care about Poland, why do you and why do you that migrants come out on top? There is no national pension pot/fund, current taxpayers fund it. From what I understand current pensioners paid the state 40% less of what they take.

@Jam_mil73 @Landeur Fair enough I don’t disagree. But the current system cannot last. The triple lock needs to go. Means testing of some description would also help. Otherwise the bill will always grow higher and faster, it can’t last.

@StephanProwell @Landeur There were more honest politicians. But there are plenty of folk who are economically illiterate. That’s not a stain against them, it’s just folk aren’t encourage, taught or made to learn it. If they were, it might be better.