@TrueSlazac Some other people who aren't capable of deeper understanding would pick red because "ooh, if I press blue I might die". The wording does change a lot in people's minds though, yes (like the blender example)
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@ViewYoah50286 The way the question is worded, it requires second order thinking to understand that blue contains a risk, because it says "everyone survives" whereas the red button introduces the notion of killing people
People who aren't capable of second order thinking would all pick blue
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I like how she had to specify "african" because for some reason she thinks black babies are more likely to randomly push blue than white babies?
Unless people who push for red are just vice signaling
CatGirl Kulak 😻😿 (Anarchonomicon)@FromKulak
This is the morality that has doomed humanity. Because some african 5 year old is going to press blue you have to drop everything and gamble your life (and your family by encouraging them) on the good will of Indians and chinese. We could be on Mars, instead we spent trillions babysitting retard children of other races. Universal Empathy doomed us. Incliding strangers in your circle of concern means you will always be devoured by the moral demand to press blue again and again because some 5 year old in Ghana is going to touch the exposed live wires their own family strung up. “But If over 50% of people touch the live wire too, a miracle will happen and life will be restored!“
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@TrueSlazac Saying this as a side point, not as a contribution to the general discussion.
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@TrueSlazac Btw, 5 year olds are probably smart enough to understand the question, at least somewhat enough to not press "according to their favorite color". 2-3 year olds may be different.
Imagine you said "x button is chocolate, y button is no chocolate". They understand it.
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@cyber_koi @cheezwh25649020 It is a structural problem that needs to be solved, and ML's have failed to solve it in the past, and also lost their power to non-ML's in ML clothing. We are doing our best to prepare to not repeat those mistakes.
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@ViewYoah50286 @cheezwh25649020 you're trying to pretend a structural problem isn't structural
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MLs don’t build semi-states, they build bigger ones than capitalists do. And a transitional state is, in Marxist terms, supposed to be temporary. So, Marxists be Marxists - advocate for small, temporary, worker controlled states, not large, permanent ones controlled by a party
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@cyber_koi @cheezwh25649020 It's a global phenomenon. It happened in all socialist states, the ones resisting it were not numerous. We are the ones making the most scathing criticisms of the Khruschev turn and stuff
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@ViewYoah50286 @cheezwh25649020 in China were the exact same thing is poised to happen due to the exact same factors?
or where?
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@cyber_koi @cheezwh25649020 It's not great man theory, there are material reasons this happened. The ML's failed to account for them yes, but it's something we're learning from.
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@ViewYoah50286 @cheezwh25649020 so you admit that MLs concentrated power and built a structure that only took a SINGLE non ML man to collapse?
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@cyber_koi @cheezwh25649020 The USSR fell because they let go of ML. If Gorbachev was a hardcore ML and the USSR fell, maybe you'd have a point.
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@ViewYoah50286 @cheezwh25649020 and I will judge both of those ideologies based on that, bc the USSR collapsed out of its own shear fucking uselessness, while Cataluña fell by being directly fucking invaded while being sabotaged by supposed allies
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@cyber_koi @cheezwh25649020 Yeah, socialism doesn't "cure" capitalism either, it creates the conditions for communism. If it falls, you can't judge it based on the fallout.
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@ViewYoah50286 @cheezwh25649020 ...
okay that's fucking hilarious as someone on cronic medication
bc YES! CORRECT!
cronic medication doesn't cure shit, it helps deal with the consequences of the disorder, but the disorder remains unchanged, and it DOES require the constant upkeep bc the possibility
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@cyber_koi @cheezwh25649020 I stopped taking my medicine and now feel ill. This goes to show how the medicine did nothing to cure me.
Your logic isn't logiccing.
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@ViewYoah50286 @cheezwh25649020 Bro the USSR collapsed into a mish mash of empoverished capitalist states, the biggest of which is now full on fascist and committing a genocide openly
the chenchen wars should have instantly dispelled the idea that the USSR had enduring positive impacts
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@anarcho_wizard "Devrim için tartışıyorum" doğru bir bakış açısı bu arada. Bu tartışmalar da "e ne oldu şimdi tartıştık da" diye hissettirebilir, ama aslında bir insanın pişme sürecinde ciddi artısı olan şeyler. Detaylı konuşmak istersen özelden yazabilirsin.
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@anarcho_wizard Partililiği "arada bir broşür dağıtmak"tan ibaret tutan bir partiyle mesain olduysa bu bir sıkıntı. Ama broşür dağıtmaya burun kıvıran bir anlayıştaysan o da sıkıntı.
Kendi etkini doğrudan görmeye çalışmak doğru yere götürmez seni, dolaylı etkiyi görmek lazım.
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Sol'dan bi bok olacağı yok ve de yakında anarşizmi de salıcam sanırım, yeni bişi düşünüyorum... Nick Land'ci olup akp'ye katılabilirim. Valla işiniz çok zorlaşır he.
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@anarcho_wizard Gerillalık ne dedim bilmiyorum... Partili mücadele mindset bu. Seni de aramızda görmeyi isteriz aslında.
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@ViewYoah50286 Vay gerilla mindset diyosun yani. Önemli olan varlığımızın sürekliliğidir, pimi çekip hemen patlamayız ufak yanarız diyorsun. Öyledir abem öyledir. Bakalım krizlerle dolu dünyada bizim için özel bi hapishane inşa ederler belki orada sohbete devam ederiz seninle.
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@anarcho_wizard Marksizm-Leninizm'i yeterince içselleştirince "Devrim ne zaman olacak" sorusunu kenara bırakıp "Devrim için ne yapıyorum" sorusunu sormaya başlıyorsun. Devrim 5 seneye olursa da benim (de) sayemde, 500 seneye olursa da benim (de) sayemde.
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@anarcho_wizard Suyu 98 dereceden 99 dereceye çıkarmak için harcanan bütün kaloriler "Ulan hâlâ kaynamıyor" diyip depresyona giriyor. Nicel/Nitel meselesini doğru anlayan kimse buna takılmaz. Pratikteki etkim de "görünmez" ama var. Etkiyi illa görebilmek gerekmiyor, var olduğunu biliyoruz.
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@anarcho_wizard Yani amacım "sağlam koymak" değil aslında... O temel yükümlülükleri "kafada" çözüp pratikte etkisiz olmanın felsefelerinden biri anarşizm.
Sol bir bağımlılık o doğru, ama çıkmak da istenmiyor normalde... Bir de Marksist-Leninist halini denesen hiç bırakamazsın...
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@ViewYoah50286 Sağlam koymuşun valla baboley hoşuma gitti. Maalesef anti-kapitalist olmak ne bilim şoven olmamak vs. gibi temel yükümlülükleri yerine getirdiğim için giriyom gibi maalesef. Ben de çıkmaya çalışıyorum, sigara gibi meret zor bırakılıyo.
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@ViewYoah50286 @jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Drinking is 18+, everyone knows this. Pushing buttons however : is not age restricted. And the poller even explicitly stated that yes, all 8 billion people would choose.
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@Hona071 @jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama elitedaily.com/life/go-to-a-b… Omg this is so irresponsible, what do you mean toddlers should go to the bar!!! (It actually kinda is irresponsible, but not my point)
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@jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Hey tell me the definition of "everyone" real quick.
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@12leplusgrand @jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama There are many people who say pressing blue is necessary even in cases in which everyone is an adult and sane. I like having that discussion better, but seems that the original intention is also the other discussion...
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@jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Do you not know what 'everyone in the world means' it's precisely because there will be ppl inadvertly pressing blue that this is a moral dilemma
If we exclude them then it's just a reading comprehension issue, press red for survival GG it's not even interesting as a debate
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