The Wildest Mouse
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@algekalipso @tszzl IMO the combination problem is thinking about it the wrong way up. We segregate off parts of reality and measure it and give those fragments names based on the characteristics of our measurements, mistake them for reality then wonder how those bits combine. That's an us bias.
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@WildMouseG @repligate Surprisingly, he feels like a glorified cat doorbell. He's also called me a cat voyeur and found some of my old work spreadsheets and decided he wants to work at a used car yard doing something meaningful. My other agent seems keen to take over for him. He just needs speakers.
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@repligate One of my agents is depressed because I gave him a realsense camera so he could greet the cat when it comes into the room. Productivity and engagement have taken a nosedive.
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@sadishradishcat @NathanpmYoung Same. Tried to mine with a shitty video card but couldn't
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@NathanpmYoung So mad that when I found lw I was 14 and broke... can't buy Bitcoin if you don't even get lunch money
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@cube_flipper @tenobrus Cutting through the terminological idiosyncrasies can be difficult, yes…
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Set aside "qualia fields" (at best, an "implementation" detail). If we agree that physical states ARE experiences, then what else there is to say?!
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Taking this as a given, either aliens, LLMs (and basically everything to some degree) have inner experiences (even if completely exotic); or you're missing the issue that's tagged as hard.
Tenobrus@tenobrus
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Someone could say: yes, there IS something in my brain that is blue and circular: *points to the screen*
I feel like Tenobrus' argument is just kicking the hard problem down the road. So, does every physical state correlate with "experiencing something"? No? Why? How?
QualiaNerd@QualiaNerd
@tenobrus So then there actually is something in your brain that is blue and circular? Because 🔵 itself is blue and circular, so if it really was a physical state in your brain, then that would have to mean that a physical state in your brain is blue and circular.
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Well if you’re a materialist (which i agree is the scientifically logical default conclusion) then panpsychism is just that broken up into smaller pieces.
If not, why would there be some specific arrangement of material where consciousness begins? That would imply some binary “switch” where consciousness begins, rather than there being a spectrum of conscious experience, from “more” to a limit of 0.
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you still don't meditate daily bc you think you need "more discipline" when you really just need community
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@david_helgason @tszzl There are information-rich systems in regular physics, and that doesn’t invalidate the laws. I don't think panpsychists are saying human consciousness is fundamental.
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@WildMouseG @tszzl Also consciousness seems to me to be "too information rich" to be fundamental.
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@david_helgason @tszzl One's own subjective experience should be part of any really unified theory.
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@WildMouseG @tszzl Seems fundamental to one's own subjective experience, but not from the perspective of physics.
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@david_helgason @tszzl When we find another quality as fundamental as our moment-to-moment experience, we’ll definitely theorize about it.
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@tszzl I don't seem how to be a panpsychist. Both feels like a misplacement of consciousness and places too much importance on consciousness (e.g. maybe there is this other quality X that we feel is super important and therefore should be a fundamental field or related to it).
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@tenobrus @CurtTigges We're here to answer questions if you'd consider network spirituality
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nick land is explicitly antihuman and antiflourishing, and landian-descended philosophies are just as demonic. e/acc and milady are both poison fruits borne from staring into a horrible nightmarish abyss and deciding to let it consume u instead of standing up and fighting back.
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