A few hours into Crimson Desert. Controls are more than most games but it's still fine IMO. The annoying part is the fickle interaction with things moreso than the button scheme.
Opening sewer door took longer than it should have lol
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Goldensilver
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Art. Video Games. Touches Grass Daily.
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@AI_EmeraldApple Yeah I don't think Crimson Desert is like that either. Steam reviews largely mirror the mean critic reviews. The difference is Elden Ring and Hollowknight have a level of polish that I don't think crimson desert has right now.
I don't think this is a journalist thing at all
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@_Goldensilver_ 90s games' level of obtuseness trumps any modern games, even Elden Ring.
Oftentimes, there were no hints, "hunting for pixels", and clicking on the wrong things = sudden death. Do the wrong thing, and you softlock your game, and you have to go to an older save.
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Crimson Desert really has become the ultimate filter between "gamers" and "tourists".
Tourists like the hand holding, the yellow paint, the obvious click here, go there...
Gamers like the friction, the puzzles, and the "what ifs"...
It's like anime going mainstream, where stories and topics have become far more "tame". Ever since games have become far more mainstream than in the 2000's, games have become simpler, and gameplay mechanisms much more obvious. In the 90's, many games were incredibly difficult, and that's the point.
It wasn't the kind of reaction/combat gameplay like hollow knight, or elden ring. Things were obtuse, no quest markers, and where you had to go next was not obvious. You had to think and reason about what the developers were trying to do.
Today, tourists encounter a simple puzzle that most gamers have zero problem with, and they crash out and quit. I think this is why Crimson Desert won't ever gain the massive audience it could get because the bar of entry is a little high.
Narwitz@SophiaNarwitz
My sheer confusion at the 2:24 mark of this clip when someone in chat told me that people quit the game over this 'puzzle'. I have since been sent clips of people being lost, and uhhh... not to be a dick, but what???
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@Teltae @AI_EmeraldApple Which is the problem with going in with a narrative and trying to squeeze things in to fit it. As opposed to just trying to see things as they are and draw conclusions from that.
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@Teltae @AI_EmeraldApple I do not think Elden Ring is simple tho. That game is massive and gives almost no hand holding.
What he's trying to do is justify why those other games scored really high even among critics, like it's some hidden difficulty factor that CD has that ER doesn't.
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@mythical_meier @TimAkers Yep. One could compellingly argue that Sanderson books don't actually have magic, what the characters actually have are superhero like abilities.
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Sanderson: a satisfying ending requires a clear understanding of the magic system.
Tolkien: the magic system is friendship.
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@I_DO_JUEGOS For sure, but if reviews stay low then the long tail of the sales could be bad. They have a great initial amount, but it's not enough. So they definitely need them to keep coming in.
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Another game that the mainstream media hates but the gaming community loves
Wario64@Wario64
Crimson Desert has sold 2 million copies
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@TaisonTV Bro, literally NOBODY has had anything positive to say about the protagonist
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#CrimsonDesert Metascore de 78. Si eliminas las reviews negativas el MetaScore sube a 90.
el Review bombing de algunos medios como IGN o Critical Hits por las siguientes causas:
-"Protagonistas poco interesantes" Creo que si fuera una Mujer Afro y TRans tal vez seria mas interesante para ellos.
-"historia no tiene valor" Que raro en Elden Ring tampoco importa la historia y opinaban diferente.
-"El combate tiene muchos combos y muchos controles y se hace dificil" Claramente Skill Issue del periodista con poco tiempo para probarlo, en Elden Ring no tenian problemas xD.
-"Misiones secundarias aburridas" En todos los RPGs hay muchas misiones secundarias aburridas o repetitivas, es lo que pasa en juegos con cientos de horas disponibles.
Y luego todos coinciden en que es un gran juego a nivel detalle, libertad, mundo abierto y exploracion xDDD
Esta misma gente dio un 9 a Dragon Age veilguard y mas puntuacion a Concord.
Hoy salimos de dudas en Directo, recuerdo a todos que las reviews buenas, son las que ocurren en directo cuando lo jugamos y enseñamos todo los youtubers y streamers, y ahi podeis ver la realidad.
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@MugenLord Yep. Lots of goalpost moving. People will point towards player count and say CD made a lot more money.
But we aren't debating financials here, game quality is what matters. Madden makes a ton of money but let's not pretend it's because the games are just so expertly crafted.
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Things are about to get interesting over the next couple of days. I believe Crimson Desert is about to receive the same Criticism and Defense from the gaming community as Marathon did. As I said, Crimson Desert won't be for everyone, and I got slammed for saying that. I was told that I just don't like games that try something bold and creative.
But when I said Marathon isn't for everyone, and it takes time because of its learning curve. I was told that if a game takes that long for you to grasp, then it's poor game design. Yet I am seeing players and reviewers say Crimson Desert takes some getting used to before you really enjoy the game.
Oh boy, this discourse is about to get interesting, and I am all for it. The goalpost moving and hypocrisy are about to be in full force with this one, lol.
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Starfield is the most childish M rated game I've ever played. And thing is, many of the problems people had with it are other things.
This is why I'm barely excited for Elder Scrolls VI. Even if they correct the gameplay issues, this underlying approach will kill the game.
RAZORWIRE@RazorwireRPG
I don't hate Starfield, but I'm tired of playing games that feel like they are designed by lizard people terrified of human connection. Upon arriving in Akila City I intervene in a bank robbery. I shoot some bank robbers and save some hostages. I then get to witness a Husband and Wife reunite after this traumatising event. Do they hug or hold one another? Do they sob in relief or grief over what they have experienced? No, they can't and don't do any of that. The technology and design of these games are so bereft of human connectivity I just get to watch a pair of waxy mannequins under deliver mumbled dialogue to one another. That's it. In Cyberpunk 2077 for example (a game Starfield desperately wants to be, by the way) people touch one another, they kiss and connect and cry and scream and have all these human moments. Starfield can't do any of this.
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@AI_EmeraldApple The answer is simple & you avoid it. These scores at large sites differ because they are reviewed by different people.
You simultaneously bash mainstream journos then uplift Tassi's review. You cherry pick points to support an argument that isn't compelling.
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Only time will tell how Crimson Desert will really do, but no one trusts mainstream journalists anymore, except the out of touch asian investors who havn't figured out that Western journalists lie.
IGN rated Concord and Highguard a 7, and they both went out of service due to being a massive flop. IGN also gives Dragon Age: The Veilguard a 9, and it was a commercial failure.
Eurogamer also gave Black Myth Wukong a 3/5, the same score as Crimson Desert, and Wukong was a massive commercial success. Meanwhile, Eurogamer also scored the commercial failure Dragon Age game, a 5/5.
Why? Not for the stated reason, but for all the nitpicky reasons why Crimson Desert is "bad". like UI choices, gameplay mechanics, and the MMO "feel" of the game.
They are calling it "prestige Candy Crush" characterless world, undercooked story/characters, regressive quests...
But the real unstated reason?
No LGBTQ representation.
Violence against "protected gender", equal violence against women and men.
No forced diversity.
No contemporary politics in the game.
Meanwhile, others rated it very high with Forbes at 9.5 and DualShockers at 9.5. Paul Tassi says "I've never seen anything like this" spending over 100 hours into the game before writing a review and claiming he has never been bored.
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@PaulTassi I have a feeling we're gonna see this rebound hard over the next week. Assuming sales are gonna end up still being high, which I think they will be.
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This is the state of the industry, which shows why publishers are obsessed with metacritic scores and why a 78 is “bad”
GamesRadar+@GamesRadar
Crimson Desert's Metacritic score sinks Pearl Abyss share prices by 30% over the cardinal sin of being perfectly fine gamesradar.com/games/rpg/crim…
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I see people in the industry trying to dunk on this. But that's just because so many games journalists are stuck writing about video games instead of what they actually wish they were reporting on: politics.
Lots of pent up frustration out there 🤣
Luke Stephens@LukeStephens
@LegacyKillaHD I predicted after the preview that this is one that game journalists will loathe. There is zero hand holding and even at the preview event I witnessed several journalists from big outlets getting stuck in the tutorial puzzle for 45 plus minutes...
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@BloodWenchLN This is really about how strongly positive the critical reception was vs how the game was actually received. Hard to find many examples where media gives out such solid scores to a game that ends up killing the series lol
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Are we really still barking about Veilguard on big 2026?
Endymion@EndymionYT
IGN is giving Crimson Desert a 6 so far, yet gave VEILGUARD a 9. Interesting, very interesting
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The discourse surrounding Crimson Desert after the reviews hit yesterday just showed me a lot of people just crave the social part of this hobby without actually wanting to engage in the hobby itself.
I didn't have early access to this one, looking forward to jumping in later.
Shinobi602@shinobi602
Crimson Desert | Reviews 10 - Digitec 10 - Gameliner 9.5 - Forbes 9.5 - Dualshockers 8 - GameGrin 8 - TechRadar 8 - GamesRadar 8 - GameReactor 7 - CGM 7 - TheGamer 7 - Gamespot 7 - Screen Rant 7 - Game Informer 6 - VG247 6 - Eurogamer 6 - PCGamesN 5 - Gamekult MC: 77 OC: 79
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@nonregemesse Fantastic score though. A shame James Horner is no longer with us.
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Good premise let down by 90s action ridiculousness
🏛 𝐒𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 🏛@nonregemesse
Currently watching Zorro
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@PaulTassi This is really good context. Because I saw this video and was like "man, that's not good."
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Oh also he teaches you this move so the fight is designed to test it
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This is the first named boss in the game which is just a sparring street fight. I would love to see people doing this on some of these bosses I’ve played
Eric Arraché@ericarrache
Praticamente qualquer inimigo de Crimson Desert pode ser vencido com esse chute duplo do botão triângulo, de tão bem feito que o combate do jogo é
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@DVADigital323 Because most people can't afford to buy every single game that looks interesting
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Honestly why do people watch reviews? Like if a game looks fun imma play it. I don’t give a shit if it’s a 10/10
Michael@LegacyKillaHD
Uhhh Is this going to be one of those games critics don't like it but users love it? These Crimson Desert review scores are not great so far... 🙃
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