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There might never be a better use of the heatmap. Pressing blue (the suicide button) is virtue signaling for literal third world bots. If everyone presses red, everyone lives. Incredible philosophical debate happening on The Everything App
just matt@questionableway
red is an unbelievably phenomenally disgustingly selfish decision and i do not have theory of mind for anyone who would choose it
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@ThinkWiselyMatt I know you’d press blue, you don’t know who else wouldn’t
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I love how one of the red pill counter arguements is just
"No actually you wouldnt press blue you liar"
It's like they lack complete awareness of other minds
jesse@froststar14
@ThinkWiselyMatt only on internet polls are most of these so called blue button pushers able to make the claim, if tomm this was all real most of you would quietly press the red button, so all this grand standing and guilt tripping is a sham and immoral to boot
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The calculus to press red is, to put it kindly, short-sighted idiot math. It begins and ends with “what input gives me the best odds of living” with no regard for what the world you’d be living in - where everyone you can trust is dead and everyone else knows it - would look like
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@Philfreeze96 @G0ffThew I agree, but obviously the red selection is guaranteed safety and there’s no need to count down the poll. I see your point
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My thought is if I have limited information I would go with the guaranteed survival immediately. Altruism makes sense, but there is a clear option that would save everyone. I think the reason this dilemma is so divisive is because the choice is administered by button, if you had to commit an action like jumping into a blender, the choice is pretty obvious. I just don’t see how >50% of the global population has the 2nd order thinking to perserve everyone over just themselves. The hypothetical samples everyone on earth , not just a western hellsite
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@_resolut @G0ffThew Yes I agree but then it is not a question of Game Theory since that would involve arguing about other peoples strategy and how they will act.
My expectation is that there will be a significant chance a lot of people intuitively pick the altruistic option, so I should help them.
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I understand your position, I’m saying you have no idea what other people pick. The split is between where you place your priority, if you have a two year old that likes blue, maybe you go blue, but if everyone is conscious of the decision they’re making, red guarantees your survival
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@DeepDishEnjoyer No one will say it but it’d be way better off in the long run that way
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one thing to think about is that if red wins even if you immediately survive you are suddenly subjected to a cataclysmicly bad world state where double digit percentages of the world suddenly died and a large percentage of high conscientiousness people died
far worse than wwii
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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High trust society enthusiast when it's time to be trustworthy
vittorio@IterIntellectus
why would anyone even press blue?!?
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@_resolut @G0ffThew Beyond obvious (how, unless you were the last person to vote), many would still choose blue, or press blue for the reasons I mentioned before. Pressing red is choosing to kill them. All the worst people you know are pressing red. Every villain, rapist. You are left with them.
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@_resolut @zachariaspro @EthicalSkeptic @SunWeatherMan @nobulart @ahfultz @junhoBTC @Kitsune_in_VA David Sunfellow gives regular updates/explanations.
David Sunfellow@sunfellow
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I have also empirically derived the State 2 equilibrium for the first time and successfully modeled out the physics of the transition from real, live data.
We no longer need theory.
Lot more coming. Already have a fifth paper drafted. Below is USA in State 1 vs State 2:
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@BillaudHPF @G0ffThew If you were going to get shot as soon as you pressed the button if less than 50% pressed blue, I doubt it would be as easy of a decision, or you just hate living
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@_resolut @G0ffThew You have no answer for the obvious: You live in a wide and diverse society. Many lack the capacity (age at both ends, infirmity etc) to make the red choice and will die if red wins. Others will refuse to make it because they refuse to play any part in potentially harming another.
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