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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·13m

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki you want to tell me the electoral college is better than the alternative, because a national popular vote would pretty much require a complete federal takeover of elections? now you're talking about real things that happen on planet Earth. now you have my interest.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·13m

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki "it ain't broke don't fix it is a much better defense than anything else the EC defenders roll out, but they roll out everything else first, which leads everyone else's suspect they only like the EC because it let their guy win once.

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James Surowiecki@JamesSurowiecki·1d

There's no good civic argument for the electoral college. It was arguably necessary to ensure the ratification of the Constitution, but it's an anti-democratic device that gives some American citizens far more voting power than others, based purely on where they live.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·29m

@BeaviSNoches @stevemorris__ are you confusing the electoral college with the Senate?

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BeaviSNoches@BeaviSNoches·1h

@stevemorris__ The real problem is people (usually intentionally) trying to straw man this antiquated and now irrelevant reason for the original structure of the EC to pretend the critical part that balances State sovereignty with population can just be waived away.. When it can't.

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Steve Morris@stevemorris__·5h

There's an interesting argument for the original electoral college - one in which elites pick a president and Americans do not vote. I don't agree but it's at least interesting. The problem is zero people today actually support that - they support a system that the writers of the Constitution would be absolutely baffled to hear about

There's no good civic argument for the electoral college. It was arguably necessary to ensure the ratification of the Constitution, but it's an anti-democratic device that gives some American citizens far more voting power than others, based purely on where they live.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·32m

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki 1. The 20th amendment was ratified 1933, nearly a century after William Henry Harrison died. you are reaching reaching reaching for reasons to justify. 2. "it ain't broke don't fix it" is hands down the best defense of the EC. but in 2 of the last 7, it broke.

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Ethical Hustler@SaveTheLibs·1h

@johnwcbragg @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki It’s one reason. William Henry Harrison died days after taking office. The Constitution was amended to make Inauguration Day closer to Election Day. EC is a classic case of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·1h

@ScienceWhats @dsawyer the point of a limited-democracy system is that the elites, the "deep state" if you will, are smarter than the masses. you only get a Trump, like him or not, from raw unfiltered democracy.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·1h

@ScienceWhats @dsawyer in 2015, did Trump have any support from anyone in politics? no. he was seen as a joke candidate, not a serious presidential contender, until he started winning direct-democracy type primaries.

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J. Daniel Sawyer@dsawyer·21h

Dude says: "There is no good civics argument [for this] anti-democratic device." Me: **looks at the history of democracies** I think you just made the case there, dude. The reason we have Republics with limited democracy is that there is no semantic gap between "true democracy" and "mob rule."

There's no good civic argument for the electoral college. It was arguably necessary to ensure the ratification of the Constitution, but it's an anti-democratic device that gives some American citizens far more voting power than others, based purely on where they live.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·1h

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki so the EC is good because they might pick a president if the president-elect dies between 1st Tuesday Nov and 2nd Monday Dec?

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Ethical Hustler@SaveTheLibs·9h

@johnwcbragg @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki If the winner dies between Election Day and elector day, the electors would choose a replacement. Can’t redo the whole process.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·3h

@LeftistTexanist @Madhaterproject @dsawyer Yes, pot meet kettle. The EC's current fans are fans because it elected Trump. but if you do the least bit of investigation, the arguments in favor of something like the EC is that it would stop somebody like Trump who had zero support in 2015 from the elites

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LeftistTexanist@LeftistTexanist·3h

@Madhaterproject @johnwcbragg @dsawyer Pot, meet kettle. The biggest proponents of NOT abolishing the EC are entirely outcome-based. "Ohh the small farmers!" You guys will let every small farmer in CA & NY suck big donkey balls so that you can keep your built-in advantage.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·4h

@be_Zanazar @dsawyer ??? wut?

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Zanazaru🇺🇦@be_Zanazar·5h

@johnwcbragg @dsawyer No it doesn't. That's what the constitution is for.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·6h

@CarloFerlauto @MichaelFKane funny how the electoral college doesn't do any of the things that it was supposed to do in the federal papers

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Carlo Ferlauto@CarloFerlauto·8h

What’s humorous is that the people so against the Electoral College never read the debate for and against in The Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers… Which goes to show you exactly why we need to have an Electoral College. They say that ignorance is bliss, but having strong opinions about something they’ve never even researched simply goes to show you how many happy people there are.

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Michael F Kane@MichaelFKane·23h

There are no good arguments for the electoral college when you ignore all the good ones. Funny how that works.

There's no good civic argument for the electoral college. It was arguably necessary to ensure the ratification of the Constitution, but it's an anti-democratic device that gives some American citizens far more voting power than others, based purely on where they live.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·6h

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki just re-read it a lot of Fed 68 applies to the pre 1968 convention system for choosing nominees. but none of it applied to the EC, ever.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·7h

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki yeah the electoral college as it existence doesn't do any of the things that it was supposed to do in fabulous 68

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·7h

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki sometimes I hate speech to text

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·7h

@sensiblemoderat @HedgeDirty yeah we have a reasonably good data set from statewide elections.

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Sensible Moderate@sensiblemoderat·9h

@johnwcbragg @HedgeDirty There are orders of magnitude more gettable moderates than Hizbollah-pilled leftists

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Dirty Texas Hedge@HedgeDirty·22h

The electoral college is the second most moderating structural feature in American politics (the most moderating being corporate lobbying). The presifent is picked by the middle 10% of the middle ~8 states. It makes the median voter theorem more rather than less true

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·7h

@markstwatter2 @grok @razibkhan @L0m3z which would be more meritorious if he were an actual doctor and not just a well meaning amateur lol

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Mark Nuts@markstwatter2·10h

@johnwcbragg @grok @razibkhan @L0m3z LoliRapist88 actually does charity plastic surgery work for acid attack and burn victims.

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Lomez@L0m3z·1d

Shocked to hear yet another anonymous right wing poster beloved by hundreds of thousands of people for his wit and intelligence has been outed as a completely normal, handsome, well adjusted, likable guy.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·9h

@ArfTard @SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki yeah I mean we have statewide governor and senate elections all the time, we have a decent number of countries that elect their president by national popular vote. there is a civics poli sci argument for indirect election, burkean representation, but the EC doesn't do that!!!

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Kyle@ArfTard·10h

@SaveTheLibs @johnwcbragg @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki FYI this fear you have about how elections would occur without the EC is not borne out in any data, runs counter to how elections actually play out, and is nothing more than speculative fantasy carried over from the most basic argument in favor you learned in elementary school

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·10h

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki State changing over time is well beside the point. The point is that there is no theory of government of political science that would lead you to create the electoral college system that we have

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Ethical Hustler@SaveTheLibs·10h

First of all, the states and parties evolve. California used to be solid R, and Texas used to be solid D. Flip through some electoral maps, and consider this country is a quarter millennium old. Florida was a swing state until like five minutes ago. Nobody is ignoring those states… it’s just a forgone conclusion at the moment. Proportional elector allocation is a more relevant issue to your concerns. EC is not the problem.

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Insert Name Here@johnwcbragg·10h

@SaveTheLibs @FurlinMark @JamesSurowiecki "the most diverse and complex states which better represent the country as a whole." Ignoring California and Texas and NEw York and Florida is representing the country as a whole? . It seems like you're just reaching for arguments to justify it because it exists.

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