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@Cloudimations10 naah bruh just let nature run its course don’t do anything about it

Guys, do I call the police? 👀

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi my point was just about the wording. I understand the broader meaning is metaphorical/tragic, I just didn’t think “imprisonment” was the best fit, because that’s not what happened and it feels like an over exaggeration of what actually happened in canon.

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi Your position isnt clear beyond the hyper literal understanding of imprisonment. If thats literally the only thing you mean to say I guess I'm fine. I'm not married to the use of "imprisonment" if it means that much to you, its not integral to a single point being made

STOP INFANTILIZING US. STOP THINKING WE CAN'T BE BAD PEOPLE. STOP ACTING LIKE CLOSETED DYSPHORIA CAN'T BE PORTRAYED AS THE NIGHTMARE THAT IT IS OR THAT IT CAN'T HAVE MASSIVE RIPPLE EFFECTS ON SOMEONE'S MENTAL HEALTH. OH MY GOD YOU GUYS ARE PISSING ME OFF

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi I’m not ignoring the point, I’m disagreeing with the framing. The wording matters because it changes what’s being claimed.

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi Its not shifting the argument. You're just getting strangely held up by a word choice that isnt the point of the broader point being made

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi I just think an arc can feel unfinished when a character’s actions aren’t really addressed in any way. That’s my read, not a claim that it’s objectively wrong.

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi And I disagree. I dont think it feels incomplete. I dont see how her confronting her actions was needed

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi A strawman is when you argue against a position I didn’t take. I’m not denying it’s tragic or painful, I’m talking about whether ‘imprisonment’ is an accurate description of what’s depicted.

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi Also I don't think you know what a strawman is

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi You’re shifting the argument again. I’m not debating whether it’s tragic or psychologically heavy. I’m talking about whether ‘imprisonment’ is an accurate description of what’s depicted.

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi Ok. You're just wrong, I really don't understand your point. Is your point she wasnt literally sentenced and held captive against her will? Have you heard of a prisoner of the mind?

Shows an abuser and a rapist "Queer characters make flaws!" HALF OF THEM ARE NOT RACIST, RAPIST OR FUCKING ABUSERS!!! STOP NORMALIZING ABUSE ITS FUCKING DISGUSTING!

@KasaneTetosW1fe That’s not comparable to ChocolateMilk but aight

same for ChocolateMilkDrinkers post and everyone else that does this

People saying this and everything else that Cris has been tweeting is actually so dumb because he’s posted positive stuff before and just because they don like the finale 2 yall are gonna get pissy cause yall are either so negitive or too positive yall cant be a in between or bot

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi Another strawman I said I don’t think ‘imprisonment’ accurately describes what’s shown. Something can be tragic, limiting, and sad without being confinement.

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi It literally is confinement, she literally can no longer exist as a conscious living existence. Shes cared for sure, but that doesnt mean its a good existence. I dont understand how you cant see its a bad existence. They literally have funerals for and mourn them. They're gone.

@Kinocha__ @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi My point isn’t that the story accidentally forgot accountability. My point is that ending the story before she confronts her actions leaves the arc feeling incomplete

@HiHello370083 @DrunkGenuine @reallifeuzi I'm saying that wasnt ever the point. Jax killed herself before ever confronting her actions. She never recovered, never forgave herself, was never forgiven, and never gave herself the chance to ask for forgiveness. Her story is full circle a bad ending for her

@Teaflings_ @RayOfFantasy those things aren’t mutually exclusive. My issue isn’t that Jax isn’t a role model. My issue is that I don’t think the character arc is very satisfying if he never meaningfully confronts the damage he caused.

@HiHello370083 @RayOfFantasy Yeah that's the point. Jax is a good character; Jax doesn't exist to be representation or an endearing mascot. The lgbt aspect of denial and masculinity coping mechanisms was interesting and explored, but not for the sake of becoming a rep for a community. Just a good character

I will say it. Queer characters should be allowed to be flawed, to be messy, to majorly screw up. Like any other character in fiction that happens to be straight or CIS. And it's not faulty writing: it's about depicting people with nuance, whether they're LGBTQ+ or not. #LGBT

@WiggerMaggot You’re acting like the only two options are “perfect angel” and “abusive asshole who never takes accountability.” There’s a lot of room between those two.

> Bitches about not getting enough trans representation > gets the most accurate trans representation of all time > bitches about it being too accurate

@MainsSupport A character can be realistic, relatable, and authentic while still being unsatisfying as representation if the story never meaningfully addresses the harm they cause.

May be a controversial opinion from what I'm seeing online but I think Jax is actually good trans representation for what people are actually like when they try to repress instead of accepting themselves. I have been openly trans for about a decade, was on hormones for almost a full year, and one of the best things you can do for yourself when you're like that is meet other openly trans people. And because I've done that, I can confidently say, a lot of repressed trans people, are HUGE PIECES OF SHIT before they come out. I wanna be clear, this is by no means the universal experience, because being trans like being human is not a universal experience. I knew a trans person who before they came out was a huge racist because they fell into the 4Chan trap. I knew a few who were mysoginists and incels before they came out. A lot of repressed trans people have a tendency to fall into bad crowds that feed the worst parts of them. And Jax is a perfect example of what happens when you try to deny, repress, and smother a part of yourself. When you try everything you can to ignore it. To snuff it out. Oftentimes, hurting ourselves hurts the people around us more than we intend to, realize, or even see. I found Jax to be such a fucking refreshing change for trans rep because they weren't the fuckin butt of a bad joke. They weren't some "you had sex with a man" joke or "ladyboy" like I often see in the media or some snowflake "it's ma'am" joke. Jax wasn't some cis character that was YEARS LATER retconned into being trans. Jax wasn't literally a man wearing wearing a tutu or dress like I see in anime. Jax wasn't a femboy or a trap. They weren't sexualized or fetishized. They were just a person, struggling with two parts of themselves that couldn't find common ground. And that is by far, THE BEST TRANS REP I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. They were so relatable and even the parts I didn't specifically relate to, I knew actual people who could and had gone through those phases in their life. Jax isn't bad representation. You just don't know enough trans people to see the parts that resonate with people. And if you still don't believe it, the creator has confirmed it multiple times.

@Lockst3p I’m not talking about whether they’re allowed to exist. I’m talking about how their framing affects interpretation as representation.

@HiHello370083 but im saying that doesn't matter. if we want representation thats both the characters that make small mistakes they can come back from AND the irredeemable monsters.

@TheRatMann_ @PossiblyK9 That’s an assumption about off-screen logic, not confirmed canon. I’m talking about how people are treating speculation as fact

@HiHello370083 @PossiblyK9 I wouldn’t say intentionally and I’m pretty sure he apologized in the final

It feels really dehumanizing as a trans person that “good representation” always as to be the most merry sue shit ever, we always have to be depicted as can do no wrong and any depiction of a trans person being a bad person is “harmful rep” I’m so tired

@jayteehehe @PossiblyK9 that’s not my point. my point is that there’s a difference between “a character is flawed or even harmful” and “a character is defined by sustained extreme harm with no accountability”.

@HiHello370083 @PossiblyK9 Not even intentionally

@QuestionIsPunk1 @PossiblyK9 If I’m missing the point, clarify it. I’m addressing the idea that flawed trans characters automatically count as bad representation, which is what op was talking about.

@HiHello370083 @PossiblyK9 Can trans people not be bad people?

@porkchopreturnz @PossiblyK9 My point is that there’s still a difference between a flawed character and one defined by sustained harm with no accountability, and I think people sometimes conflate those two when discussing representation.

@HiHello370083 @PossiblyK9 TRANS PEOPLE CAN BE AWFUL HUMAN BEINGS???

@QuestionIsPunk1 @PossiblyK9 My point is that there’s still a difference between a flawed character and one defined by sustained harm with no accountability, and I think people sometimes conflate those two when discussing representation.

@SOL__T_Amo_Dayn @Ilovesunburnn @RayOfFantasy You’re treating assumptions about off-screen events and thematic meaning as facts of the story, and I’m separating what’s explicitly shown from what we’re inferring. We’re not going to agree if we don’t separate those two.

@HiHello370083 @Ilovesunburnn @RayOfFantasy 1. Es obvio, Leeroy no viviría felizmente si su madre estuviera muerta (ya estaría en la carcel), ni lo niegues denuevo. 2. No es muerte pero si es una alegoria al suicidio (¿O como Pomni pudo interactuar con Jax a pesar de haber "muerto" segun tu?) Solo repites lo mismo.